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2 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

 

You're both missing my question. I'm not questioning his strategy, or questioning the importance of competence. I just want to know what he is actually about, other than avoiding any arguments with Zionists.

I guess we'll know more as get closer to the next election...who knows what sort of state the country will be in. If we're doing super well and everything is grand maybe he can promise free broadband and chuck in a free iphone too.

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8 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

 

You're both missing my question. I'm not questioning his strategy, or questioning the importance of competence. I just want to know what he is actually about, other than avoiding any arguments with Zionists.

So this is quite funny: your post made me go to his website to see and there is bugger all on there! https://keirstarmer.com/

That said I do like the guy and don't expect his politics to fall a million miles from Corbyn really, despite what the Momentum lot say. He was in his shadow cabinet after all.

Wikipedia has this: 

Starmer has stated that his advocacy of socialism is motivated by "a burning desire to tackle inequality and injustice".[94] He has been described as being on the "soft left".[95][96][97] Gavin Millar, a former legal colleague of Starmer's, has described his politics as "red-green", a characterisation Starmer has agreed with.[5]

He supports social ownership and investment in the UK's public services, including the NHS, as well as the abolition of university tuition fees.[98][99][100] He has called for an increase in income tax for the top 5% of earners and an end to tax avoidance by corporations.[98] He advocates the reversal of the Conservative Party's cuts in corporation tax and supported Labour's anti-austerity proposals under Jeremy Corbyn's leadership.[98][99] On social inequality, Starmer proposes "national wellbeing indicators" to measure the country's performance on health, inequality, homelessness, and the environment.[101] He has called for an "overhaul" of the UK's Universal Credit scheme.[102]

Starmer has advocated an end to "illegal wars" and a review of the United Kingdom's arms sales.[98] During his leadership campaign, he pledged to create a "Prevention of Military Intervention Act", which would only permit lawful military action with the support of the House of Commons.[103][104] Starmer stated in 2015 that he believed that the Iraq War was "not lawful under international law because there was no UN resolution expressly authorising it."[105]

 

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11 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

 

You're both missing my question. I'm not questioning his strategy, or questioning the importance of competence. I just want to know what he is actually about, other than avoiding any arguments with Zionists.

He considers himself a socialist and from his leadership campaign he had some policy ideas, To name a few:

- Would scrap the House of Lords

- He supports a more PR Voting system

- Reverse cuts to Corp Tax

- Nationalisation of the railways

- Supports Labours Green New Deal

- Replace Universal Credit

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6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

He considers himself a socialist and from his leadership campaign he had some policy ideas, To name a few:

- Would scrap the House of Lords

- He supports a more PR Voting system

- Reverse cuts to Corp Tax

- Nationalisation of the railways

- Supports Labours Green New Deal

- Replace Universal Credit

he may want all this stuff...but he strikes me as pragmatic, and a little ruthless...so he may just do whatever is necessary to win the next election.

Labour won't win though.

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7 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

He considers himself a socialist and from his leadership campaign he had some policy ideas, To name a few:

- Would scrap the House of Lords

- He supports a more PR Voting system

- Reverse cuts to Corp Tax

- Nationalisation of the railways

- Supports Labours Green New Deal

- Replace Universal Credit

 

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11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

he may want all this stuff...but he strikes me as pragmatic, and a little ruthless...so he may just do whatever is necessary to win the next election.

Labour won't win though.

We’ll see, but that’s his policy platform he used when running for Labour leader so that’s what we should judge his policy views on. 

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Maybe this is just because of who I follow on Twitter but Keir seems to have lost so many labour voters (I get whiplash switching from there to the love in here) I wonder when he plans to try and get them back on board. I guess he doesn't wanna scare people off saying outright he's a socialist but then he's lost loads of labour voters keeping it a secret, if it's truly the case.

I remain pretty indifferent about him but I've also taken a step back from caring too much. Lost faith in the electorate.

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Just now, priest17 said:

Maybe this is just because of who I follow on Twitter but Keir seems to have lost so many labour voters (I get whiplash switching from there to the love in here) I wonder when he plans to try and get them back on board. I guess he doesn't wanna scare people off saying outright he's a socialist but then he's lost loads of labour voters keeping it a secret, if it's truly the case.

I remain pretty indifferent about him but I've also taken a step back from caring too much. Lost faith in the electorate.

The way I view it is that if he’s losing those people on Twitter he’s probably looking better to the vast majority of other voters. Those people on Twitter loved Corbyn and he was disliked with the public. He needs to appeal to more than the Labour Twitter supporters.

Whether you like him or not he’s the best chance of a Labour government (if that’s your aim) and ultimately of getting the Tories out of power. 

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3 minutes ago, priest17 said:

Maybe this is just because of who I follow on Twitter but Keir seems to have lost so many labour voters (I get whiplash switching from there to the love in here) I wonder when he plans to try and get them back on board. I guess he doesn't wanna scare people off saying outright he's a socialist but then he's lost loads of labour voters keeping it a secret, if it's truly the case.

I remain pretty indifferent about him but I've also taken a step back from caring too much. Lost faith in the electorate.

I'm hoping that many are like me (although I haven't been vocal other than here) and, whilst not convinced by him, would still end up voting Labour when it came to it. 

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13 minutes ago, priest17 said:

Maybe this is just because of who I follow on Twitter but Keir seems to have lost so many labour voters (I get whiplash switching from there to the love in here) I wonder when he plans to try and get them back on board. I guess he doesn't wanna scare people off saying outright he's a socialist but then he's lost loads of labour voters keeping it a secret, if it's truly the case.

I remain pretty indifferent about him but I've also taken a step back from caring too much. Lost faith in the electorate.

Has he kept it a secret? I just took it from his Wikipedia page. If he was as right-wing as people on Twitter claim you've got to wonder why Corbyn had him in his cabinet really.

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I agree with the sentiment that at the moment it doesn’t much matter *what* he stands for. He just needs to spend some time using his analytics and argument skills to eviscerate BJ and crew and then when that job is compete would be the time to paint a new vision of the future. 

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Pandering to the extreme left of the voting demographic isn’t going to win elections. 
 

You need to have a leader that is going to be tolerated by the maximum amount of people. Corbyn was far too extremist for the average UK voter. This has been proved when the Tories literally put in a clown to oppose him at the last election and Corbyn still lost. 
 

I feel much more confident with Starmer in charge of Labour even if he has similar ideals to Corbyn. Those people complaining that Starmer is too Tory for labour obviously doesn’t understand our voting demographic. The average union jack waving Scum reader isn’t going to vote for the extreme liberal option and they make up a significant proportion of the swing voters in our country. 

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32 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

has he? Those 'dedicated' left wingers will cast their vote in a way which will help the tories stay in power?

Pursuing such a firm what-I-want line doesn't sound very socialist to me. 

polls are certainly not showing him losing labour voters. Whole load of loud mouths online are whinging though

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56 minutes ago, priest17 said:

Maybe this is just because of who I follow on Twitter but Keir seems to have lost so many labour voters (I get whiplash switching from there to the love in here) I wonder when he plans to try and get them back on board. I guess he doesn't wanna scare people off saying outright he's a socialist but then he's lost loads of labour voters keeping it a secret, if it's truly the case.

I remain pretty indifferent about him but I've also taken a step back from caring too much. Lost faith in the electorate.

Same with me. A very vocal minority... A lot of them seem to be younger ‘activists’ who were swept up in Corbynmania. At least they are engaged in politics?

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1 hour ago, priest17 said:

Maybe this is just because of who I follow on Twitter but Keir seems to have lost so many labour voters (I get whiplash switching from there to the love in here) I wonder when he plans to try and get them back on board. I guess he doesn't wanna scare people off saying outright he's a socialist but then he's lost loads of labour voters keeping it a secret, if it's truly the case.

I remain pretty indifferent about him but I've also taken a step back from caring too much. Lost faith in the electorate.

I think he's best off ignoring twitter.

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Last polling I saw for Labour voters opinions of Kier had him on 77% approve and 6% disapprove. The twitter hardliners/outriders (Ash Sarkar, Aaron Bastani, Matt Zarb) really represent and incredibly small slice of the labour movement - they just shout the loudest into their own echo chamber. 

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