When will this shit end?

[Spider43]

40 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Bank of England updating forecast from really, really fuckng bad to really  fucking bad is being pitched as some sort of success.

It’s better news than expected, what’s your point?

[FestivalJamie]

Interesting, first UK school to make masks mandatory for pupils and teachers (secondary school). I wonder whether other schools (private I guess as state will have to follow gov guidelines) will follow suit. I will certainly be wearing a mask when I go to uni next month.

Schools in Nord-Rhein Westphalia (germany) will reopen next week and masks will also be mandatory for pupils and teachers (I believe age 6+) whilst in the school building, lessons included etc.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-face-masks-become-official-22475876.amp

Edited August 6, 2020 by FestivalJamie

[FestivalJamie]

And also a very sad article from the guardian, showing how the NHS was truly overwhelmed during the first wave as it was turned into a “covid only service” and all other patients treatments were scrapped- which in itself caused more people to lose their lives. The NHS workers are saying if there is a second wave this cannot happen again as it will risk tens of thousands of lives of people who can’t get treatment if everything is turned into covid wards again.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/06/nhs-shutdown-risks-thousands-of-deaths-in-covid-19-second-wave

This is highlighted in the article:

One cancer expert has estimated that anywhere between 7,000 and 35,000 patients could die over the next year as a direct result of missing out on NHS care in recent months.

Truly devastating and just shows this virus has a knock on effect on everything when not handled properly.

Edited August 6, 2020 by FestivalJamie

[steviewevie]

6 hours ago, Spider43 said:

It’s better news than expected, what’s your point?

less worse you mean

[faymondo]

9 hours ago, Spider43 said:

It’s better news than expected, what’s your point?

The poo wasn't quite as big but the smell is expected to now last longer ?? 

[steviewevie]

The problem with Biden is that he can be a gaff prone moron. I currently don't feel so confident Trump is going to lose...

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/06/joe-biden-latino-african-american-remark-392354

[efcfanwirral]

So its confirmed that the furlough scheme ends in October. Should we assume gigs are back then, virus or no virus? Surely that makes Glastonbury much more likely - for that industry to survive the government will need to lift those restrictions? 

[FestivalJamie]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

So its confirmed that the furlough scheme ends in October. Should we assume gigs are back then, virus or no virus? Surely that makes Glastonbury much more likely - for that industry to survive the government will need to lift those restrictions? 

With the way things are heading across Europe I see absolutely no chance in “normal” gigs this year, and realistically not until we have a vaccine, sorry.

Its possible by October we will have socially distant seated live concerts in auditoriums where you have to stay seated throughout the performance, but that’s only if things don’t take a turn for the worse like in france, Belgium and Spain.

[steviewevie]

No way will gigs be back in October.

[efcfanwirral]

12 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

With the way things are heading across Europe I see absolutely no chance in “normal” gigs this year, and realistically not until we have a vaccine, sorry.

Its possible by October we will have socially distant seated live concerts in auditoriums where you have to stay seated throughout the performance, but that’s only if things don’t take a turn for the worse like in france, Belgium and Spain.

I've maintained the whole time that the government will decide we're living with the virus at some point, perhaps ahead of the Christmas economic rush, and stopping furlough completely indicates end of October for that. Could involve saliva tests and rules like masks, but no furlough at all means they have to remove those restrictions or those unemployment figures will be even higher.

Unless those industries will be sacrificed completely - music especially doesn't fit with Tory beliefs and probably turns more people onto politics who might be left leaning so that wouldn't be a surprise either.

I wouldn't go to any gigs until there's a vaccine or treatment, but there are plenty who would

Edited August 7, 2020 by efcfanwirral

[FestivalJamie]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I've maintained the whole time that the government will decide we're living with the virus at some point, perhaps ahead of the Christmas economic rush, and stopping furlough completely indicates end of October for that. Could could saliva tests and rules like masks, but no furlough at all means they have to remove those restrictions or those unemployment figures will be even highe.

Unless those industries will be sacrificed completely - music especially doesn't fit with Tory beliefs and probably turns more people onto politics who might be left leaning so that wouldn't be a surprise either.

I wouldn't go to any gigs until there's a vaccine or treatment, but there are plenty who would

For anything non-socially distanced to happen in the (near) future, we will either need to have a vaccine, or get cases consistently down to 0 for 14 days and shut down our borders. Otherwise the risks of an uncontrollable outbreak are far too large.

The government will not just “decide we are living with the virus” and allow mass events to happen, which could overwhelm the NHS and cause another national shut down. It’s just not an option and is evidenced by their extreme caution at the moment.

Either the gov will let the industry fall to pieces or they will have to offer more financial support. They will know this at this point too, it’s not feasible for concerts and nightclubs to reopen for the foreseeable future.

Edited August 7, 2020 by FestivalJamie

[efcfanwirral]

1 minute ago, FestivalJamie said:

For anything non-socially distanced to happen in the (near) future, we will either need to have a vaccine, or get cases consistently down to 0 for 14 days and shut down our borders. Otherwise the risks of an uncontrollable outbreak are far too large.

The government will not just “decide we are living with the virus” and allow mass events to happen, which could overwhelm the NHS and cause another national shut down. It’s just not an option and is evidenced by their extreme caution at the moment.

Either the gov will let the industry fall to pieces or they will have to offer more financial support. They will know this at this point too, it’s not feasible for concerts and nightclubs to reopen for the foreseeable future.

Industry collapse it is then - ideologically it would be a bad look for them to help one industry and let other people be made redundant. People are on their own from November

[Waterdeep]

'The median (IQR) interval time from diagnosis to symptom onset in presymptomatic patients was 15 (13-20) days.'

15 days on average until symptom onset, I thought it was a lot shorter than that.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2769235

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I've maintained the whole time that the government will decide we're living with the virus at some point, perhaps ahead of the Christmas economic rush, and stopping furlough completely indicates end of October for that. Could involve saliva tests and rules like masks, but no furlough at all means they have to remove those restrictions or those unemployment figures will be even higher.

Unless those industries will be sacrificed completely - music especially doesn't fit with Tory beliefs and probably turns more people onto politics who might be left leaning so that wouldn't be a surprise either.

I wouldn't go to any gigs until there's a vaccine or treatment, but there are plenty who would

They're talking about shutting pubs etc to allow for schools to reopen. No way will they risk gigs. I agree that they want the economy to get going, get people spending, but gigs, night clubs and stuff will surely be the last to reopen, unless they can totally ensure social distancing inside venues. Maybe they will throw more money at certain venues and industries to help prevent them going under.

[Henrik]

13 hours ago, Matt42 said:

But if it stays like this I really do wonder how many companies are going to seriously reconsider their leases.

Quite right! Why would any business waste money on office space when employees can do exactly the same job from home. 

But then the question will be why pay someone in London £18 an hour to work from home when someone in India can do exactly the same job for less than half the cost. 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Industry collapse it is then - ideologically it would be a bad look for them to help one industry and let other people be made redundant. People are on their own from November

Yep. Bad times ahead. The love for Rishi may soon be over.

[FestivalJamie]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

Industry collapse it is then - ideologically it would be a bad look for them to help one industry and let other people be made redundant. People are on their own from November

Unfortunately maybe that’s what they’ve decided. 

With flu season coming this winter it will take even less than the first wave to overwhelm the NHS, there is absolutely no chance of any mass gatherings this Christmas. I think we will be honestly lucky to see our families on Christmas Day. 

The best I can see is live music/comedy/theatre happen with socially distanced audiences and everyone wearing masks. At the absolute best. There’s no possibility for outdoor live music in the winter and indoor standing concerts in cramped spaces just aren’t possible with the risks to the NHS, the health of the public, the wider economy and the impression of the government that they pose.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Henrik said:

Quite right! Why would any business waste money on office space when employees can do exactly the same job from home. 

But then the question will be why pay someone in London £18 an hour to work from home when someone in India can do exactly the same job for less than half the cost. 

Maybe governmet will have incentives for employers and employees to stop the work from home thing...not sure what though.

[fatyeti24]

3 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

Unfortunately maybe that’s what they’ve decided. 

With flu season coming this winter it will take even less than the first wave to overwhelm the NHS, there is absolutely no chance of any mass gatherings this Christmas. I think we will be honestly lucky to see our families on Christmas Day. 

The best I can see is live music/comedy/theatre happen with socially distanced audiences and everyone wearing masks. At the absolute best. There’s no possibility for outdoor live music in the winter and indoor standing concerts in cramped spaces just aren’t possible with the risks to the NHS, the health of the public, the wider economy and the impression of the government that they pose.

So, not all bad news then.

[efcfanwirral]

2 minutes ago, Henrik said:

Quite right! Why would any business waste money on office space when employees can do exactly the same job from home. 

But then the question will be why pay someone in London £18 an hour to work from home when someone in India can do exactly the same job for less than half the cost. 

I always get triggered by this 😂

Many jobs that could be outsourced don't need a pandemic to help employers work that out. They could've always done this. Many office jobs take specialist qualifications and training - they aren't all just getting by on presenteeism 

[zahidf]

The Office for National Statistics has released its weekly report on the coronavirus and the social impacts on Great Britain.

The main findings are:

• Almost all adults (96%) who had left their homes said they had worn a face covering to slow the spread of the coronavirus – an increase from 84% last week and 71% the week before.

[FestivalJamie]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

The Office for National Statistics has released its weekly report on the coronavirus and the social impacts on Great Britain.

The main findings are:

• Almost all adults (96%) who had left their homes said they had worn a face covering to slow the spread of the coronavirus – an increase from 84% last week and 71% the week before.

That’s good! And in all indoor public settings from tomorrow!

[northernringo]

10 minutes ago, Henrik said:

Quite right! Why would any business waste money on office space when employees can do exactly the same job from home. 

But then the question will be why pay someone in London £18 an hour to work from home when someone in India can do exactly the same job for less than half the cost. 

Have you any experience with outsourcing?

I see comments like this thrown around quite a lot recently. I'd imagine most people who say things like this know very little about how it actually works...

[steviewevie]

Wouldn't be surprised if the guidance on wearing masks was expanded in the coming months, including wearing them outside in town centres etc...already seeing that abroad.

[steviewevie]

Thighland.