When will this shit end?

[zahidf]

The govt are literally telling people to go away in the UK. Not sure what else people are supposed to do, stay indoors?

[philipsteak]

14 minutes ago, zahidf said:

The govt are literally telling people to go away in the UK. Not sure what else people are supposed to do, stay indoors?

Well in the cases of already full beaches and the country's most visited National Park, whose main road is currently just above  walking pace for large parts of the day (although it gets like that most summers tbf) I'd maybe suggest going somewhere else. 

Stuck in traffic, no parking, no space in the popular spots, everything still not open, massive queues for what is. Apart from everything else, it just doesn't seem like fun to be a tourist in these places. 

[Madyaker]

The problem with everyone in the UK going on holidays in the UK is that it's very crowded at all the beaches and parks because there's just so many people and its a relatively small country. 

[whitehorses]

2 hours ago, crazyfool1 said:

M5 heaving southbound towards Devon and Cornwall ... just hope everyone just drives past Somerset without stopping ... 

Cornwall is crazy busy... Get the impression from a blend of bad driving, bad parking, bad littering, that there’s quite a lot of country-side virgins among them. 

[steviewevie]

42 minutes ago, zahidf said:

The govt are literally telling people to go away in the UK. Not sure what else people are supposed to do, stay indoors?

go to work, but don't go to work, go on holiday, but don't go on holiday, go to pub, but don't go to the pub.

etc

[Crazyfool01]

Russia leading the way with a vaccine ... but would you take it ? 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53621708

[Suprefan]

They could close the beaches, but oh wait, they would never do that.

 

edit: do we know when we find out whose vaccine it really is coming out of russia?

Edited August 1, 2020 by Suprefan

[ghandi]

5 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Russia leading the way with a vaccine ... but would you take it ? 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53621708

I'd be very wary of a Russian one. Could be very rushed. How many systems have they hacked to get to where they are now. No openess with regards to trails either.

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Russia leading the way with a vaccine ... but would you take it ? 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53621708

I will only trust a British vaccine. God Save The Queen.

This one does seems a bit quick....

[Crazyfool01]

its likely to be the British one anyway  ....

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

its likely to be the British one anyway  ....

yeah, that true. Ok, I'll take it then.

[zahidf]

26 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Russia leading the way with a vaccine ... but would you take it ? 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53621708

Depends. If its peer reviewed and the worldwide scientific community says its safe...

[whitehorses]

I’d take anything if it conferred a Glasto health passport of some kind. 
 

Otherwise, I won’t be in much rush to get jabbed 

[Crazyfool01]

im already hanging around Oxford to avoid the queue when it gets released 

[zahidf]

had a lovely 15 minute one to one gig today. Just me and a folk guitarist, sang me 4 old Scottish folk songs. Got a jazz pianist in 20 mins

[BobWillis]

4 deaths announced in NHS England hospitals today, 2 in NHS Wales hospitals, and no NHS hospital deaths in either Scotland or NI. 
68 deaths outside of hospitals has been added on top of that to the daily total by the government. These numbers are farcical, why are they being allowed to get away with this? 

There is no way on this earth that anybody is allowing 10x the number of people dying in hospital to die without hospital treatment when the hospitals are empty. 

So much for the urgent enquiry into the way PHE records and reports deaths, they’re carrying on just as they were and it’s scandalous.

[Leyrulion]

15 minutes ago, BobWillis said:

4 deaths announced in NHS England hospitals today, 2 in NHS Wales hospitals, and no NHS hospital deaths in either Scotland or NI. 
68 deaths outside of hospitals has been added on top of that to the daily total by the government. These numbers are farcical, why are they being allowed to get away with this? 

There is no way on this earth that anybody is allowing 10x the number of people dying in hospital to die without hospital treatment when the hospitals are empty. 

So much for the urgent enquiry into the way PHE records and reports deaths, they’re carrying on just as they were and it’s scandalous.

It is ridiculous. I've only been watching the hospital figures for quite some time. They're only going the right way. 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Leyrulion said:

It is ridiculous. I've only been watching the hospital figures for quite some time. They're only going the right way. 

So they just don’t admit to hospital anymore ? Where are these people dying ? Own homes ? 

[Leyrulion]

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

So they just don’t admit to hospital anymore ? Where are these people dying ? Own homes ? 

In the community yeah. The issue with those figures currently is that they check if you have ever had a +ve test and if so it goes down as a covid death. Even if you got hit by a bus 2 months later. 

 

Hospital rates are an indication of the level that will affect me (rather than care homes deaths) so as long as admissions and death rates are still trending down there's still reasons to be hopeful despite local restrictions.

[efcfanwirral]

6 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

So they just don’t admit to hospital anymore ? Where are these people dying ? Own homes ? 

This is the question - could the barrier to hospital treatment still be high? 

[Toilet Duck]

4 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

So they just don’t admit to hospital anymore ? Where are these people dying ? Own homes ? 

Unfortunately, depending on the patient, hospital admission may not alter their care. Some have DNRs, some are entirely unsuitable for mechanical ventilation, others can receive oxygen where they are, so moving them only creates additional risk for the patient but has no impact on how they would be treated. Discharging patients back to care homes without testing them was a monumental f*ck up, but in terms of patient management, there’s probably nothing untoward going on with patients being cared for where they currently are.

[Ozanne]

The chair of SAGE was speaking today and said that it's younger people that are gaining picking up the virus now so we shouldn't see hospital admissions rise like we did earlier on in the pandemic. So that probably isn't the best gauge just yet, the main issue being as this chap said is that the risk of the virus breaking out into the wider population.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Toilet Duck said:

Unfortunately, depending on the patient, hospital admission may not alter their care. Some have DNRs, some are entirely unsuitable for mechanical ventilation, others can receive oxygen where they are, so moving them only creates additional risk for the patient but has no impact on how they would be treated. Discharging patients back to care homes without testing them was a monumental f*ck up, but in terms of patient management, there’s probably nothing untoward going on with patients being cared for where they currently are.

So if I were to become ill living on my own and develop breathing issues ... would they think that I could get adequate care at home ? Or would they admit me ? Because I’m unable to help myself ? I can’t work out how bad I’d need to be to get admitted to hospital 

[Toilet Duck]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The chair of SAGE was speaking today and said that it's younger people that are gaining picking up the virus now so we shouldn't see hospital admissions rise like we did earlier on in the pandemic. So that probably isn't the best gauge just yet, the main issue being as this chap said is that the risk of the virus breaking out into the wider population.

Yeah, in Ireland about 70% or so of new cases in the last few weeks have been in under 40s...median age of infection through the peak was 48, now it’s something like 33. We’ve had a few spikes this week, they weren’t too concerned as the contact tracing all looked good...but we had 38 cases yesterday and they have no idea where 20 of them picked it up...So still knocking around in the community and while spread in younger populations shouldn’t lead to a massive run on the hospitals, it’s still a concern and needs to be kept under close watch...

[Toilet Duck]

2 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

So if I were to become ill living on my own and develop breathing issues ... would they think that I could get adequate care at home ? Or would they admit me ? Because I’m unable to help myself ? I can’t work out how bad I’d need to be to get admitted to hospital 

No, if you were at home, they’d admit you (or at least they’d have a look at you in A&E). If you were in a care home though, you can probably get the same care there.