When will this shit end?

[efcfanwirral]

@Toilet Duck - is this as potentially good news as it sounds?

[Ozanne]

26 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

@Toilet Duck - is this as potentially good news as it sounds?

Sounds good enough for me, Glastonbury 2021 is on.

[Toilet Duck]

26 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

@Toilet Duck - is this as potentially good news as it sounds?

It’s certainly interesting and backs up a study published in Cell a short while ago. There definitely appears to be cross reactivity with other coronaviruses in how our immune systems recognise them. Whether this explains disease severity, or indeed susceptibility, is not known yet though. Another interesting observation in this study is that the t-cell response is there in those who don’t have any antibodies (but definitely had the disease). Still learning, but these types of studies all add to the mix!

[northernringo]

Meetings of up to 30 people now allowed outdoors in NI, another step in the right direction.

[stuartbert two hats]

3 hours ago, Toilet Duck said:

Frontline staff for sure, and normally, high risk groups would also be first in line. How well any of the vaccines work in this group is still unknown though.

Do you think they'll bother giving any of the Oxford vaccine to younger people without health conditions if it really does only protect against disease and not infectiousness (infectivity?  )?

[Cream Soda]

2 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Do you think they'll bother giving any of the Oxford vaccine to younger people without health conditions if it really does only protect against disease and not infectiousness (infectivity?  )?

infectionality

[Ozanne]

UK figures for  Monday 29th June, weekend effect showing but still the trends, compared to last Monday new cases and daily deaths are very slightly up.

[Toilet Duck]

1 hour ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Do you think they'll bother giving any of the Oxford vaccine to younger people without health conditions if it really does only protect against disease and not infectiousness (infectivity?  )?

I think we’ll have to see how the vaccine performs in the trial. Based on how it is set up, they still think it can be protective. In a real world exposure, it’s entirely possible that it might be protective at lower viral loads than those used in the pre-clinical challenge experiments. I think they are also looking at repeated doses. If after all that it turns out to only protect from severe disease, then they’ll need to see how it performs in high risk populations (most volunteers are 18-55, which would be low risk anyway). My guess is if there’s any efficacy signal in the trial and the safety data is sound, they’ll use it for high risk groups and if it’s not protective there, it offers a safer route to “herd immunity” by giving it to younger, low risk populations. Some of the other vaccines are progressing as well, so other options will hopefully be available.

[Zoo Music Girl]

What do people make of the whole Leicester thing? Seems a bit weird to me. I heard the mayor (I think?) on the news earlier saying that they only had more cases because they had more testing and so by that rationale they shouldn't ease the lockdown anywhere as we would all be in the same boat. Don't know what to think really.

Edited June 29, 2020 by Zoo Music Girl

[kaytee...]

6 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

What do people make of the whole Leicester thing? Seems a bit weird to me. I heard the mayor (I think?) on the news earlier saying that they only had more cases because they had more testing and so by that rationale they shouldn't ease the lockdown anywhere as we would all be in the same boat. Don't know what to think really.

I heard that hospital admissions hadn't gone up there either so probably just an increase in testing picking up those who are asymptomatic

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

What do people make of the whole Leicester thing? Seems a bit weird to me. I heard the mayor (I think?) on the news earlier saying that they only had more cases because they had more testing and so by that rationale they shouldn't ease the lockdown anywhere as we would all be in the same boat. Don't know what to think really.

I don't know...I think this is bound to happen isn't it? It's not as if the virus has disappeared or anything. When we start lifitng lockdown, the virus will start to spread again...it's how good our test and trace set up is.

[Ozanne]

Can we see the data for individual cities, if so I'd interested to see what it's been like and the trends etc

[tumbles]

29 minutes ago, kaytee... said:

I heard that hospital admissions hadn't gone up there either so probably just an increase in testing picking up those who are asymptomatic

It’s a bit like the Weston general outbreak down here. There was mass hysteria that it was a second wave despite the fact North Somerset had only had 190 cases period. We’d not even had a first wave. The infection was contained at the Hosptial but the increase in testing and tracking meant cases doubled over all to 400 by end of May. So with a very low number to begin with the R value hit 0-8-1.1.. but it was all contained, traced and in June weve had 28 cases in total and R level down to 0.6.  

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

Yeah, I was digging through the ONS data last week and the general surveillance stuff they do to give an idea of the national picture. They had 14 positive tests out of 24k, in the detail it said the numbers are just too low to give an accurate regional picture.

Edited June 29, 2020 by Deaf Nobby Burton

[Copperface]

Give us a break.....please:

New flu strain with pandemic potential discovered in pigs in China.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53218704

Edited June 29, 2020 by Copperface

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

10 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Give us a break.....please:

New flu strain with pandemic potential discovered in pigs in China.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53218704

 

Edited June 29, 2020 by Deaf Nobby Burton

[Ozanne]

Local lockdown has just been announced in Leicester.

[Matt42]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Local lockdown has just been announced in Leicester.

I need someone to explain this to me because how does this work at all.

Is this just an indication that the second wave is here?

[Matt42]

If it’s clear a second wave is coming will they cancel 4th July?

[CaledonianGonzo]

Is that a big thing in Leicester?

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

I need someone to explain this to me because how does this work at all.

Is this just an indication that the second wave is here?

This just means that in Leicester cases are up considerably compared to the next highest area, same for hospital admissions. ON the whole cases for the UK are dropping, it's just a localised rise. I know it's tough but I don't think this is anything to worry about.

 

They most definitely won't cancel July 4th relations of lockdowns elsewhere.

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

2 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I need someone to explain this to me because how does this work at all.

Is this just an indication that the second wave is here?

This isn’t an indication in the slightest of a second wave, read it, it says cases are three times higher than the next nearest region. It’s purely localised. 

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Is that a big thing in Leicester?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-local-lockdown-imposed-leicester-22271719?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Matt Hancock, announced non-essential retail which opened on June 15 must shut from tomorrow in East Midlands city.

And primary schools which opened to some pupils from June 1 must once again close to all but the most vulnerable, or children of key workers, from Thursday.

 

The drastic measures - which also apply to surrounding areas including Oadby, Birstall and Glenfield - have no fixed end date and will be only reviewed in two weeks' time.

[zahidf]

Also we haven't left the first wave so I don't know why everyone is worried about a second wave

[Matt42]

Just now, zahidf said:

Also we haven't left the first wave so I don't know why everyone is worried about a second wave

True.