When will this shit end?

[Sdsm123]

3 minutes ago, charlierc said:

Well, that "slightly awkward but quite endearing" approach is what I seem to remember as a description for Ed Miliband. Didn't prove to be an election winner though.

Who else would there be a possibility post-Boris? Because as much as I can see the Tories replacing him before the next election, I'm less sure who could be a replacement.

The Torys won’t replace him, that’s just the rhetoric the guardian want you to believe.

[Ozanne]

5 minutes ago, charlierc said:

Well, that "slightly awkward but quite endearing" approach is what I seem to remember as a description for Ed Miliband. Didn't prove to be an election winner though.

Who else would there be a possibility post-Boris? Because as much as I can see the Tories replacing him before the next election, I'm less sure who could be a replacement.

I've seen Gove's name floating around as he gets on well with Murdoch.

[Sdsm123]

I would like to publicly apologise to @Ozanne for being rude and disrespectful to him on private messaging and singling him out with downvotes. I have since removed them. I may be in the minority being a Tory boy on this forum but ultimately I’m here because I love festivals and Glastonbury is in my heart as the best place in the world. When I had a serious mental breakdown a few years back and got sectioned for my own safety, my love of Glastonbury got me through some really hard times. The way I spoke to Ozanne was disgusting and I’m ashamed after reading back through the messages. Please accept my apology and assurance that no repeat will happen. At the end of the day we all have our opinions and I just felt that this place should be more inclusive and accepting of people who have differing views. Peace and love and above all happiness to everyone on this forum ❤️

[dotdash79]

1 minute ago, Sdsm123 said:

I would like to publicly apologise to @Ozanne for being rude and disrespectful to him on private messaging and singling him out with downvotes. I have since removed them. I may be in the minority being a Tory boy on this forum but ultimately I’m here because I love festivals and Glastonbury is in my heart as the best place in the world. When I had a serious mental breakdown a few years back and got sectioned for my own safety, my love of Glastonbury got me through some really hard times. The way I spoke to Ozanne was disgusting and I’m ashamed after reading back through the messages. Please accept my apology and assurance that no repeat will happen. At the end of the day we all have our opinions and I just felt that this place should be more inclusive and accepting of people who have differing views. Peace and love and above all happiness to everyone on this forum ❤️

It takes a big person to publicly apologise for something like that. 
 

politics is strange people always things to be better but can’t agree what that looks like or how to get there. 

[wilby-wilbert]

2 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

It takes a big person to publicly apologise for something like that. 
 

politics is strange people always things to be better but can’t agree what that looks like or how to get there. 

Totally agree. I think largely people on here do want the same or similar outcomes but disagree on how to get there. The characterisation of people who disagree on those means as privileged/ greedy/ elitist is unhelpful in the vast majority of cases. 

[Crazyfool01]

10 minutes ago, Sdsm123 said:

I would like to publicly apologise to @Ozanne for being rude and disrespectful to him on private messaging and singling him out with downvotes. I have since removed them. I may be in the minority being a Tory boy on this forum but ultimately I’m here because I love festivals and Glastonbury is in my heart as the best place in the world. When I had a serious mental breakdown a few years back and got sectioned for my own safety, my love of Glastonbury got me through some really hard times. The way I spoke to Ozanne was disgusting and I’m ashamed after reading back through the messages. Please accept my apology and assurance that no repeat will happen. At the end of the day we all have our opinions and I just felt that this place should be more inclusive and accepting of people who have differing views. Peace and love and above all happiness to everyone on this forum ❤️

Thankyou for that  respect has just jumped several levels 

Edited June 8, 2020 by crazyfool1

[Homer]

What a plot twist - I don't think anyone could claim they saw that one coming (well, apart from Dominic Cummings obvs).

Is anyone else crying?

[vintagelaureate]

19 minutes ago, Sdsm123 said:

I would like to publicly apologise to @Ozanne for being rude and disrespectful to him on private messaging and singling him out with downvotes. I have since removed them. I may be in the minority being a Tory boy on this forum but ultimately I’m here because I love festivals and Glastonbury is in my heart as the best place in the world. When I had a serious mental breakdown a few years back and got sectioned for my own safety, my love of Glastonbury got me through some really hard times. The way I spoke to Ozanne was disgusting and I’m ashamed after reading back through the messages. Please accept my apology and assurance that no repeat will happen. At the end of the day we all have our opinions and I just felt that this place should be more inclusive and accepting of people who have differing views. Peace and love and above all happiness to everyone on this forum ❤️

👍 

Take care.

[Crazyfool01]

7 minutes ago, Homer said:

What a plot twist - I don't think anyone could claim they saw that one coming (well, apart from Dominic Cummings obvs).

Is anyone else crying?

Erm 😭

[DeanoL]

3 hours ago, MEGABOWL said:

2. In the Grand scheme of things if a few small firms are fiddling the Furlough (fnar) Scheme and it keeps some low paid people in jobs does that really matter?

It will matter to HMRC once things are back to relative normalcy. Legally firms have to keep furlough records for five years, so I would expect many, many audits in the future of all sorts of firms. Probably under the usual "guilty unless you can show the paperwork that says you're innocent" approach they take.

(And it sucks for their competitors, who are following rules, and might end up going out of business).

1 hour ago, gizmoman said:

You vote for your own self-interest, that's actually how democracy is supposed to work, you vote for the candidate and party that represents you and your interests. The problem with modern socialism is that the people voting are voting for the perceived benefit of OTHER people (the underclass, minorities etc) because they believe themselves privileged under the current system and want to make society better for the others. This has led to the Labour party being run by and appealing to younger, affluent, middle class kids, while the older working class parents have no main party to vote for that truly represents them, this time Boris captured that vote but it remains to be seen if Labour can still appeal to the people they lost.

If people voted in their self-interest Labour would win by a landslide every time. People vote the Tories in because they hope one day they'll be in the top 20% of earners that they help.

[Sdsm123]

13 minutes ago, Homer said:

What a plot twist - I don't think anyone could claim they saw that one coming (well, apart from Dominic Cummings obvs).

Is anyone else crying?

What’s happened! Did he quit? Please say yes

[Superscally]

5 hours ago, crazyfool1 said:

yep lets hope they can manage the numbers when lower ... track and trace not happening is my worry ... 

It won't happen. No respect for the system after Cummings. He's literally wasted tens of millions of pounds.

[Superscally]

5 hours ago, Homer said:

How's being back at work? Have you been busy?

Ok. Busy in a different way. Less interaction, more farting about.

[Sdsm123]

27 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

It will matter to HMRC once things are back to relative normalcy. Legally firms have to keep furlough records for five years, so I would expect many, many audits in the future of all sorts of firms. Probably under the usual "guilty unless you can show the paperwork that says you're innocent" approach they take.

(And it sucks for their competitors, who are following rules, and might end up going out of business).

If people voted in their self-interest Labour would win by a landslide every time. People vote the Tories in because they hope one day they'll be in the top 20% of earners that they help.

As an auditor our methodology has increased the risk on wages and requires us to provide a higher level of assurance to show that furlough payments are fraud free. One of the tests we are being asked to carry out looks at computer logins to prove people who were furloughed weren’t still working. The guidance states that any detection of non compliance gets reported to the AML lead and will be reported to HMRC. 

[Ozanne]

59 minutes ago, Sdsm123 said:

I would like to publicly apologise to @Ozanne for being rude and disrespectful to him on private messaging and singling him out with downvotes. I have since removed them. I may be in the minority being a Tory boy on this forum but ultimately I’m here because I love festivals and Glastonbury is in my heart as the best place in the world. When I had a serious mental breakdown a few years back and got sectioned for my own safety, my love of Glastonbury got me through some really hard times. The way I spoke to Ozanne was disgusting and I’m ashamed after reading back through the messages. Please accept my apology and assurance that no repeat will happen. At the end of the day we all have our opinions and I just felt that this place should be more inclusive and accepting of people who have differing views. Peace and love and above all happiness to everyone on this forum ❤️

That's ok, I understand how things can be sometimes.

[stuartbert two hats]

1 hour ago, Sdsm123 said:

I would like to publicly apologise to @Ozanne for being rude and disrespectful to him on private messaging and singling him out with downvotes. I have since removed them. I may be in the minority being a Tory boy on this forum but ultimately I’m here because I love festivals and Glastonbury is in my heart as the best place in the world. When I had a serious mental breakdown a few years back and got sectioned for my own safety, my love of Glastonbury got me through some really hard times. The way I spoke to Ozanne was disgusting and I’m ashamed after reading back through the messages. Please accept my apology and assurance that no repeat will happen. At the end of the day we all have our opinions and I just felt that this place should be more inclusive and accepting of people who have differing views. Peace and love and above all happiness to everyone on this forum ❤️

Fair play to you. Although Glastonbury isn't politically neutral, it's explicitly left wing, I can't disagree with peace, love and happiness to all. Even Tories.

Apart from Boris, Mogg, Gove etc, obvs.

[Ozanne]

Getting this thread back on track - A study by Imperial College London has estimated that lockdown measures have saved more than three million lives in Europe. But researchers warned that the pandemic was still in its early stages.

[squirrelarmy]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Fair play to you. Although Glastonbury isn't politically neutral, it's explicitly left wing, I can't disagree with peace, love and happiness to all. Even Tories.

Apart from Boris, Mogg, Gove etc, obvs.

I’ve got no problem giving peace and love to Bojo etc, just wish they weren’t involved in running the country. 

[stuartbert two hats]

10 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

I’ve got no problem giving peace and love to Bojo etc, just wish they weren’t involved in running the country. 

I'm still trying to grow as a person.

Edit: having said that I was pleasantly surprised that I'm not so bitter I didn't want Boris to die.

Edited June 8, 2020 by stuartbert two hats

[Homer]

58 minutes ago, Sdsm123 said:

What’s happened! Did he quit? Please say yes

Sadly not. Interested to see that you are a Tory supporter but don't like Cummings. Do you think he should have quit?

[shoptildrop]

Seems like Boris has been writing articles again.. Particular highlight is the ending, I'm like 

“This month, on the 22^nd of June, we celebrate the arrival of the Empire Windrush in 1948, and we remember the contribution of the Afro-Caribbean workers – in the NHS and across all public services – who helped to rebuild this country after the war.“And today, once again, we face a great task: to relaunch this country after Coronavirus. So let’s work peacefully, lawfully, to defeat racism and discrimination wherever we find it, and let us continue to work together across all the communities of this country, as we put Britain back on its feet

https://www.voice-online.co.uk/news/uk-news/2020/06/08/prime-minister-boris-johnson-issues-statement-on-black-lives-matter-protests/

 

[Sdsm123]

8 minutes ago, Homer said:

Sadly not. Interested to see that you are a Tory supporter but don't like Cummings. Do you think he should have quit?

Yes I do, he undermined the lockdown and had ample opportunity to apologise. Instead he came out with some laughable bullshit which just makes him loose his integrity and cause wider damage and mistrust in the Tory government. Boris should have sacked him which would have shown strength. However he didn’t and that made him weak. Then forcing the cabinet to tweet support for him , which Patel didn’t. It just doesn’t look good and has made the pandemic harder to control as there’s a us and them mentality. He should be forced into the history books and maybe get one of those free eye tests from the government as an exit gift! Being a Tory doesn’t mean you don’t call out those you support when you feel they got it wrong! 🤞

[dotdash79]

You know what I don’t like the tories, I would never vote for them but I wanted them to do well during pandemic. 
 

the initial response of containment was right, but everything after that have been too little, too late And badly done, without any admission that they might have got things wrong. People have died and they have been arrogant about it. 

[Neil]

14 hours ago, Sdsm123 said:

Just because I vote Tory doesn’t make me a bad person does it! I vote Tory because the industry I work in and my clients benefit from their policy. Why does this forum have to be political as at the end of the day we are all here because we love Glastonbury. 

Maybe you need to know a bit more about the industry you work in, and particularly the history of UK festivals including Glastonbury?

This forum is political because we love Glastonbury. Glastonbury is political.

And before that news shocks you into hating Glastonbury, do remember that your man Spaffer attended and loved it.

edit: and fair play for the apology.  

Edited June 9, 2020 by Neil

[Ozanne]

Oof