When will this shit end?

[SwedgeAntilles]

20 minutes ago, Sdsm123 said:

Just because I vote Tory doesn’t make me a bad person does it! 

Being an accountant too probably helps.

[Sdsm123]

3 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

Being an accountant too probably helps.

What’s wrong with being an accountant

[Ozanne]

10 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

You vote for your own self-interest, that's actually how democracy is supposed to work, you vote for the candidate and party that represents you and your interests. The problem with modern socialism is that the people voting are voting for the perceived benefit of OTHER people (the underclass, minorities etc) because they believe themselves privileged under the current system and want to make society better for the others. This has led to the Labour party being run by and appealing to younger, affluent, middle class kids, while the older working class parents have no main party to vote for that truly represents them, this time Boris captured that vote but it remains to be seen if Labour can still appeal to the people they lost.

I think the difference can be seen today, Labour under Corbyn would’ve come out fully in favour of everything yesterday, however Starmer took a more moderate approach agreeing with the ultimate goal but disagreeing with the means. I saw it compared with a leader responding with what activists want to hear and a leader responding with what voters want to hear. 

[zahidf]

30 minutes ago, Sdsm123 said:

Just because I vote Tory doesn’t make me a bad person does it! I vote Tory because the industry I work in and my clients benefit from their policy. Why does this forum have to be political as at the end of the day we are all here because we love Glastonbury. 

This is a political thread though 

[Homer]

57 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Ha touche.

 

Sometimes I think there could be a decent person in Matt Hancock, he also seems ever so slightly awkward which I find quite endearing.

I like it when people try to project real, proper human emotions onto Conservative politicians - it reminds me of anthropomorphism.

Nice point re Corbyn there also.

Edited June 8, 2020 by Homer

[SalviaPlath]

34 minutes ago, Sdsm123 said:

Just because I vote Tory doesn’t make me a bad person does it! I vote Tory because the industry I work in and my clients benefit from their policy. Why does this forum have to be political as at the end of the day we are all here because we love Glastonbury. 

It does make you a bad person, very much so. 

[wilby-wilbert]

21 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

You vote for your own self-interest, that's actually how democracy is supposed to work, you vote for the candidate and party that represents you and your interests. The problem with modern socialism is that the people voting are voting for the perceived benefit of OTHER people (the underclass, minorities etc) because they believe themselves privileged under the current system and want to make society better for the others. This has led to the Labour party being run by and appealing to younger, affluent, middle class kids, while the older working class parents have no main party to vote for that truly represents them, this time Boris captured that vote but it remains to be seen if Labour can still appeal to the people they lost.

Not very rawlsian

[steviewevie]

51 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

Sunak has been one of the successes, no question. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him PM before the next Election.

hard times ahead.

[steviewevie]

40 minutes ago, Sdsm123 said:

Just because I vote Tory doesn’t make me a bad person does it! I vote Tory because the industry I work in and my clients benefit from their policy. Why does this forum have to be political as at the end of the day we are all here because we love Glastonbury. 

#bollocks

[Cream Soda]

9 minutes ago, zahidf said:

This is a political thread though 

It's sort of turned into one, dont think it was originally supposed to be

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, Cream Soda said:

It's sort of turned into one, dont think it was originally supposed to be

Sorry about that!

[Sdsm123]

@Ozanne see look what happens when you try to make conversation you just get abused

[stuartbert two hats]

2 hours ago, Sdsm123 said:

So this thread should be named the left wing slag off the government thread NO TORY SCUM allowed 

Fine by me.

[Homer]

Okay, so on top of all the other reasons to admire Jacinda Ardern., on our evening walk the wife just casually dropped in that she saw her DJing at a v credible indie festival (War on Drugs headlined) a couple of years ago, then sent me this article.

So she goes to a lot of festivals and DJed, playing tunes including Nightclubbing by Iggy Pop and William Shatner's cover of Common People.

https://thespinoff.co.nz/music/02-08-2017/the-complete-ish-history-of-jacinda-arderns-dj-career/?amp

[Sdsm123]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Fine by me.

Why though, why not be inclusive to everyone

[wilby-wilbert]

3 minutes ago, Sdsm123 said:

@Ozanne see look what happens when you try to make conversation you just get abused

Its cos you are an evil, privileged accountant mate. Basically you're a lesser human being than the righteous folks on here. 

[Ozanne]

4 minutes ago, Sdsm123 said:

@Ozanne see look what happens when you try to make conversation you just get abused

You do realise it wasn’t by me don’t you?

[Sdsm123]

Just now, wilby-wilbert said:

Its cos you are an evil, privileged accountant mate. Basically you're a lesser human being than the righteous folks on here. 

@Ozanne see what I mean 

[gizmoman]

3 minutes ago, wilby-wilbert said:

Not very rawlsian

Had to google that!, not heard of Rawls i'm afraid, will have a read though, the point is actually more Rand than Rawls, people are at the core self-interested, it's a bit easier to think of others if you yourself are comfortably off, if you are on the lower rungs of society you are more likely to vote for someone to make YOU better off rather than some distant "others", this article from 2016 makes the same points re: representation. Labour need more working class candidates to appeal to their core voters.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/03/lack-of-working-class-labour-mps-has-alienated-voters

[wilby-wilbert]

3 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

Had to google that!, not heard of Rawls i'm afraid, will have a read though, the point is actually more Rand than Rawls, people are at the core self-interested, it's a bit easier to think of others if you yourself are comfortably off, if you are on the lower rungs of society you are more likely to vote for someone to make YOU better off rather than some distant "others", this article from 2016 makes the same points re: representation. Labour need more working class candidates to appeal to their core voters.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/03/lack-of-working-class-labour-mps-has-alienated-voters

More specifically referring to what Rawls referred to as the veil of ignorance. 

[steviewevie]

glastonbury went right downhill when they started letting tories in.

[Sdsm123]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

glastonbury went right downhill when they started letting tories in.

Okay so should Glastonbury ban all torys and make you do a political declaration on registration. That’s extremely inclusive 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Sdsm123 said:

Okay so should Glastonbury ban all torys and make you do a political declaration on registration. That’s extremely inclusive 

not a bad idea.

[Homer]

7 minutes ago, Sdsm123 said:

Okay so should Glastonbury ban all torys and make you do a political declaration on registration. That’s extremely inclusive 

There was a thread/argument about this a while back. IIRC I was very nice (you're welcome).
 

 

[charlierc]

1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

Ha touche.

 

Sometimes I think there could be a decent person in Matt Hancock, he also seems ever so slightly awkward which I find quite endearing.

Well, that "slightly awkward but quite endearing" approach is what I seem to remember as a description for Ed Miliband. Didn't prove to be an election winner though.

1 hour ago, MEGABOWL said:

Sunak has been one of the successes, no question. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him PM before the next Election.

Who else would there be a possibility post-Boris? Because as much as I can see the Tories replacing him before the next election, I'm less sure who could be a replacement.