When will this shit end?

[dotdash79]

Even without the app I won’t be giving any information to a organisation who’s headed by the person who was in charge when talk talk was hacked, with no clue about it. 
 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dido_Harding

[zahidf]

44 MPs. More than their majority...

 

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by zahidf

[Ozanne]

This is very important. The Prime Minister didn’t know about the rights of migrant workers in relation to benefits. He hasn’t got a clue.  

[Neil]

23 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

I don’t know about you guys but that app is going nowhere near any of my devices until the code has been independently checked and verified. I can understand the need for one and it could be effective but I don’t trust this government one bit. 

Doesn't really matter what's in the app code. Just about anything can be joined up from the data the app sends to the govt.

I love the bit where Cummings sister and Cummings bessie mate* from Vote Leave got the contract for the app. Who'd have thought it?

(* Not best enough for childcare tho)

[jparx]

Recent events have certainly made me more confident that if the spaffer even manages to survive his full term as PM, his chances of a second are nowhere near a guarantee, even with his big majority.

[jparx]

Just now, Neil said:

Doesn't really matter what's in the app code. Just about anything can be joined up from the data the app sends to the govt.

I love the bit where Cummings sister and Cummings bessie mate* from Vote Leave got the contract for the app. Who'd have thought it?

(* Not best enough for childcare tho)

He trusts them with the nation's data, but not looking after his kid 🤔

[zahidf]

 

 

 

[efcfanwirral]

23 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

The app is launching yet, the test and trace scheme is launching without it. Personally I’d wait too.

The whole thing is a huge mess and exactly what I was worried about. We seem to have to open up at the same time as others in Europe despite not being at the right levels.

So we're opening up shops and businesses, which increases public transport use, while attempting contact tracing without any way to tell those who randomly spent time with those who test positive that they've been exposed. It'll help a bit for those socialising against the rules, but many will have been spreading it around for weeks before testing positive  

And that's before the fact that people who get tested are generally on the extremely ill side (or work NHS etc). We won't be testing everyone with symptoms so loads will be missed. 

Essentially, it's pretending to do the right thing to ensure compliance in opening up now. We had a chance to squash numbers to a manageable level but have fucked it completely. 

And then there's this which terrifies me:

And notice all the bots underneath with the "get rid of social distancing it's a load of shit" "great we want our lives back" type comments, showing that there is an opinion shaping campaign along those lines. 

Absolutely every worst thought I had about how the government would approach reopening has almost come true....

[stuartbert two hats]

7 minutes ago, Neil said:

Doesn't really matter what's in the app code. Just about anything can be joined up from the data the app sends to the govt.

I love the bit where Cummings sister and Cummings bessie mate* from Vote Leave got the contract for the app. Who'd have thought it?

(* Not best enough for childcare tho)

It matters in the sense that if it's a badly written software stack then third parties can access the data who were not supposed to be able to. 

It's their competence I question. The government knows all about me, of course, but I have more faith in the legacy systems.

[Ozanne]

15 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

The whole thing is a huge mess and exactly what I was worried about. We seem to have to open up at the same time as others in Europe despite not being at the right levels.

So we're opening up shops and businesses, which increases public transport use, while attempting contact tracing without any way to tell those who randomly spent time with those who test positive that they've been exposed. It'll help a bit for those socialising against the rules, but many will have been spreading it around for weeks before testing positive  

And that's before the fact that people who get tested are generally on the extremely ill side (or work NHS etc). We won't be testing everyone with symptoms so loads will be missed. 

Essentially, it's pretending to do the right thing to ensure compliance in opening up now. We had a chance to squash numbers to a manageable level but have fucked it completely. 

And then there's this which terrifies me:

And notice all the bots underneath with the "get rid of social distancing it's a load of shit" "great we want our lives back" type comments, showing that there is an opinion shaping campaign along those lines. 

Absolutely every worst thought I had about how the government would approach reopening has almost come true....

I get it completely, they continue to make error after error. Even though building testing capacity to where it is, is actually very good.

 

I hope I’m wrong but I have a feeling we are heading towards a second spike. Maybe not as bad as the first but still pretty bad. They had chances to work with Apple/Google but didn’t want to because of *power* and now we are left with this half way house type of system. 

[zahidf]

I do think theyll change the 2m guidance to 1m in the next few weeks 

[Matt42]

Anyone else feeling a bit lost at the mo?

[Ozanne]

Just now, Matt42 said:

Anyone else feeling a bit lost at the mo?

How so mate?

[stuartbert two hats]

9 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I do think theyll change the 2m guidance to 1m in the next few weeks 

And we should all ignore them.

[Dom Wall]

1 hour ago, philipsteak said:

The last couple of days have definitely felt different, like that's it. lock down is over for a lot of people  When the rules were first relaxed and everyone was confused (but alert!) the expected swarms of people didn't happen. Whether that was the rubbish weather (and better weather elsewhere), or the local messaging worked, who knows.  Maybe a bit of both,  but probably the weather. 

Then, a really nice day, last Wednesday. The place felt rammed.  Not exactly bank holiday weekend rammed, not even close. In fact it probably wasn't that busy in real terms, just in comparison to the last couple of months. But then, despite the weather being OK, it calmed down again. It almost felt like everyone got it out of their system for a day (like a calmer, more scenic version of The Purge) then went back to staying at home. 

Since the weekend though, all bets are off. Constant traffic on the A591 (main road through the Lake District), car parks full or half full, so many people just wandering about cos there's nothing else to do. And so many people just wandering through our site. Just had to kick two car loads of lads out who'd just pulled into our car park (passing the 'Private, Keep out' sign and then just climbed over the obvious barriers to get to the lake)

I'm dreading this weekend

Where about in the Lakes are you? We headed down from Carlisle to Keswick for a couple of hours on Monday. Probably the quietest we've ever seen it, even in midwinter. 95% of people respecting social distancing, no car parks really that full, even Booths seemed dead compared to a usual day.

Not disputing your point obviously, but interested in the differences across the Lakes - is it people coming from South of the Lakes, or people in each town just coming out and about do you think?

[Crazyfool01]

9 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Anyone else feeling a bit lost at the mo?

i am about what I should be doing ... I seem like the miserable one whos 99% sticking to it ... whilst trying to keep friends from picnics in the park and visits to beaches ...

[Cream Soda]

15 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I do think theyll change the 2m guidance to 1m in the next few weeks 

I think that's what the WHO have recommended all along, so we've been overly cautious in that regard. 

[Ozanne]

4 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

i am about what I should be doing ... I seem like the miserable one whos 99% sticking to it ... whilst trying to keep friends from picnics in the park and visits to beaches ...

I’m still stocking to the rules strictly too. Don’t get down other it, more are doing it than are not!

[Crazyfool01]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I’m still stocking to the rules strictly too. Don’t get down other it, more are doing it than are not!

i just worry .... its those people that I want to be seeing 1 on 1 ... but worry that them seeing lots of people increases the risk when they see me , ive just cancelled a socially distant meeting with one tomorrow because of it 

Edited May 27, 2020 by crazyfool1

[stuartbert two hats]

6 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

I think that's what the WHO have recommended all along, so we've been overly cautious in that regard. 

I don't think we have.  WHO is trying to strike a balance for the entire world.  There's good evidence that increasing the distance makes a difference.  You're not "safe" at 2m either.  

[Cream Soda]

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

i just worry .... its those people that I want to be seeing 1 on 1 ... but worry that them seeing lots of people increases the risk when they see me 

As long as you remain distanced from them that's what will keep you protected. 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Cream Soda said:

As long as you remain distanced from them that's what will keep you protected. 

yep totally ... trying to clear the level of paranoia thats developed is also part of the issue 

[Cream Soda]

1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I don't think we have.  WHO is trying to strike a balance for the entire world.  There's good evidence that increasing the distance makes a difference.  You're not "safe" at 2m either.  

No, never 100% safe but now we are aware of it if we're careful about coughing etc I dont think the chances of catching the virus from 2m away are huge.

[philipsteak]

18 minutes ago, Dom Wall said:

Where about in the Lakes are you? We headed down from Carlisle to Keswick for a couple of hours on Monday. Probably the quietest we've ever seen it, even in midwinter. 95% of people respecting social distancing, no car parks really that full, even Booths seemed dead compared to a usual day.

Not disputing your point obviously, but interested in the differences across the Lakes - is it people coming from South of the Lakes, or people in each town just coming out and about do you think?

I'm in Ambleside. Now don't get me wrong, it's not "normal" busy. Particularly for the time of year. The road is busy, but it's not queuing like you'd normally see. It's just that in the last few days there's been a big change. Driving past Rydal for example, the lake shore looked pretty busy, and like I said, car parks which up until a few days ago only ever had a couple of cars in are now full during the day but emptying in the evening. Keeping two meters apart in Ambleside would've been pretty difficult when I went through.

In terms of who it is, impossible to say for definite of course. Some are locals who are heading further out then they have been. I know that the case just from what people I know are doing. But a lot are not. Certainly the people we've had to ask to leave our site. In the first couple of weeks they were mostly locals ( they'd usually say they were, like that makes it ok!) but most now aren't. The 10 lads we had to kick out today certainly weren't

Edited May 27, 2020 by philipsteak

[Crazyfool01]

30 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I do think theyll change the 2m guidance to 1m in the next few weeks 

peoples concept of 2m is actually 1m anyway