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I think on a music festival message board it’s a legitimate question to ask. It doesn’t suggest the OP doesn’t give a shit about anything else. Of course there are much bigger things to be worrie

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16 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Unfortunately yes. What is the alternative? As I said in an earlier post for many it’s good that they’re actually needed to work, with millions of of job losses looming and a crumbling economy then actually being needed is not a bad thing overall. Are you suggesting the government pay people to stay at home indefinitely? It’s unfortunate that some jobs can be done from home and some can’t, but genuinely, how do you get round that?

No, just pointing out there is a divide. Probably on the whole the wealthier can stay home, and the less wealthy have to get out there.

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21 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

No, just pointing out there is a divide. Probably on the whole the wealthier can stay home, and the less wealthy have to get out there.

Yes and no. I have two friends in construction, one self employed and one employed. I’ve also got two other friends who are self employed working mainly in people’s homes. They have all been desperate for this announcement and desperate to get back to work. One of them is due to do some work at my house an text me first thing this morning to arrange it, he needs and wants the work. They all massively welcome this so you shouldn’t underestimate that for many this is a welcome announcement. They don’t feel disadvantaged because that’s how they earn their living.

I appreciate that it might he be different if you work in a factory or an assembly line as an example. But realistically if your employer physically needs you present to be able to fulfil your job, it’s not realistic to expect them to pay you to stay at home. Anybody who doesn’t want the risk has the option to stay at home, but they’d likely have to forfeit their job and income. It’s unfortunate that some jobs require you to be physically present and in a pandemic these people are placed more at risk, but there really is no solution to that. I don’t think stopping people from working would necessarily be any better on the whole.

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4 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I appreciate that it might he be different if you work in a factory or an assembly line as an example. But realistically if your employer physically needs you present to be able to fulfil your job, it’s not realistic to expect them to pay you to stay at home. Anybody who doesn’t want the risk has the option to stay at home, but they’d likely have to forfeit their job and income. It’s how unfortunate that some jobs require you to be physically present and in a pandemic these people are placed more at risk, but there really is no solution to that.

You're right, but equally it's also true that the jobs requiring you to go in are generally lower paid than the jobs that can be done from home, so it does create a divide. It's not an exact one, there are low paid jobs that can be done from home and highly paid jobs that require people on site, but there's a general trend there. And while it might not be purposeful, it is the end result.

Plus I can guarantee that some companies with mostly office workers will be asking employees to come back in on Wednesday, when they don't technically need to, just the company culture is such that they object to the idea of home working. I do think tht government should be making the call on what constitutes work that can't be done from home, rather than leaving it up to companies.

I can pretty much guarantee there will be multiple stories about call centre workers being asked to go in, even though they've been working remote for six weeks, before the end of the week.

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2 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

You're right, but equally it's also true that the jobs requiring you to go in are generally lower paid than the jobs that can be done from home, so it does create a divide. It's not an exact one, there are low paid jobs that can be done from home and highly paid jobs that require people on site, but there's a general trend there. And while it might not be purposeful, it is the end result.

Plus I can guarantee that some companies with mostly office workers will be asking employees to come back in on Wednesday, when they don't technically need to, just the company culture is such that they object to the idea of home working. I do think tht government should be making the call on what constitutes work that can't be done from home, rather than leaving it up to companies.

I can pretty much guarantee there will be multiple stories about call centre workers being asked to go in, even though they've been working remote for six weeks, before the end of the week.

I agree that’s generally the case regarding jobs requiring attendance being generally lower paid and hence the divide. At the same time that’s not the fault of a pandemic (that doesn’t really make sense, but hopefully you know what I mean) in that there isn’t really anything that can be done about it, it’s sort of inequality by accident.

I agree that if people in call centres are being called in then that will be wrong, but hopefully examples of that happening will be minimal because a couple of cases within any work place will have a greater negative impact on a business than continuing to work from home.

I do maintain though that a great number of people will actually have welcomed the opportunity to be able to go back to work, as opposed to being prevented from going back even longer.

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On the immunity thing, my neighbour is a hospital consultant, had a 6 week dose of COVID-19 and is just about to get back to work this week. He is absolutely bricking it, since everything he's read (and he read a lot during recovery) is that you're not invulnerable once recovered. Herd immunity isn't a thing, it never was a thing.

We've got to:
1) Protect the oldies (who paid for the NHS in the first place) and the vulnerable
2) Make sure that all those who have to work are protected as much as reasonably possible (i.e. way more than they are now)
3) Get those who are not in the line of fire (from the virus and from the lack of cash) to pay (and re-wire our economies away from the constant requirement for growth and toward something more sustainable - it's so effing clear that market forces and viruses simply don't mix.)
4) Get it out of everyone's heads that Schools are: babysitting services, primary safe-guarders, providers of food. We need to mobilise and step up because sending kids to schools isn't the solution - it's impossible.

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Football back in June


https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/premier-league-return-date-when-uk-lockdown-epl-government-announcement-a9508506.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0t25izhr19wPqoyz_WKWzmVlGFEoqeBeYqQtlHFrqo74OdCD1vgWzPtM8#Echobox=1589202192

It does seem like a pointless risk if there isn't even going to be relegation, being that the title is already in the bag

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5 minutes ago, jparx said:

Doesn't seem to be anything on socialising with other households, other than they've asked SAGE to look in to it and it doesn't seem like it will happen before 1st June.

Can I not meet my mate in a park? I thought that was okay?

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11 minutes ago, hfuhruhurr said:

On the immunity thing, my neighbour is a hospital consultant, had a 6 week dose of COVID-19 and is just about to get back to work this week. He is absolutely bricking it, since everything he's read (and he read a lot during recovery) is that you're not invulnerable once recovered. Herd immunity isn't a thing, it never was a thing.

We've got to:
1) Protect the oldies (who paid for the NHS in the first place) and the vulnerable
2) Make sure that all those who have to work are protected as much as reasonably possible (i.e. way more than they are now)
3) Get those who are not in the line of fire (from the virus and from the lack of cash) to pay (and re-wire our economies away from the constant requirement for growth and toward something more sustainable - it's so effing clear that market forces and viruses simply don't mix.)
4) Get it out of everyone's heads that Schools are: babysitting services, primary safe-guarders, providers of food. We need to mobilise and step up because sending kids to schools isn't the solution - it's impossible.

That’s just the anecdotal opinion of one person, your neighbour though isn’t is. There is more evidence to suggest you get at least some immunity than suggests you don’t. It’s been around for a minimum 6 months now, yet we haven’t seen any credible cases of reinfection yet. Antibody tests have also found antibodies present in a certain percentage of people. It’s true we don’t know anything for sure, but there is more evidence to suggest some immunity, compared to none, of which so far there is none that I’ve seen.

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14 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

Excuse my ignorance but how would a vaccine work in that case?

It says you can meet up outdoors with 1 member of another household.  That's about it.

Thanks. Is anyone actually planning on changing their lives much on Weds?

I might sit in the park a bit more. But just on my own or with the wife.

One exception is my mate who lives on his own and has no outdoor space. He only lives about two miles away so need to see him ASAP.

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