Will Coronavirus lead to the cancellation of Glastonbury?

[Yokel Again]

6 minutes ago, HattersBoy said:

This is doing the rounds, seems sensible but then again I'm no doctor. Regarding the paragraph in red I do recommend swapping water for your favourite alcoholic beverage, it is known that the virus is killed by alcohol.

 

From a member of the Stanford hospital board.

This is their feedback for now on Corona virus:

 

The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know if he/she is infected?

By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late.

Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning.

Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds.

If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection.

In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air.

Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases:

 

Everyone should ensure:

— your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous.

 

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold 2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.

3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.

4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.

5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.

6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.

7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.

8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on. 9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice. 10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!

 

THE SYMPTOMS

1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days 2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.

3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.

4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

 

 

hasn't this one already been confirmed as not true? (or atleast large parts of it).

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

Just now, Tuna said:

The normalisation on the y axis for t=0 isn't misleading?  

Well they’ve just started at the point that every country has 40 cases, is that misleading? Serious question I honestly don’t know if that is?

[Fingerbobs]

13 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I can see it going ahead with something like a "not advised for the over-60s..."

Might we'll work out this way bit would be a bit unfair to make Michael watch his own party through his binoculars whilst locked in his bedroom.

[Homer]

9 minutes ago, HattersBoy said:

This is doing the rounds, seems sensible but then again I'm no doctor. Regarding the paragraph in red I do recommend swapping water for your favourite alcoholic beverage, it is known that the virus is killed by alcohol.

 

From a member of the Stanford hospital board.

This is their feedback for now on Corona virus:

 

The new Coronavirus may not show sign of infection for many days. How can one know if he/she is infected?

By the time they have fever and/or cough and go to the hospital, the lung is usually 50% Fibrosis and it's too late.

Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning.

Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds.

If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection.

In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air.

Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases:

 

Everyone should ensure:

— your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous.

 

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold 2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.

3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun.

4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.

5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap.

6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.

7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.

8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on. 9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice. 10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water!

 

THE SYMPTOMS

1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days 2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.

3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.

4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.

 

 

 

Thanks - that's really helpful (apparently I don't have it). 

[Homer]

12 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

Chris Martin already rehearsing chain reaction

Probably not the greatest choice of song...

[Tuna]

4 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Well they’ve just started at the point that every country has 40 cases, is that misleading? Serious question I honestly don’t know if that is?

Yes. Given that the cases in Italy spiked due to various things. The comparison of the curves, in this analysis they're doing anyway -- where they've shifted the x-axes -- if the y-axis intercepts overlap. That's just the way the data is, unfortunately, that they can't be normalised like that. But where Italy's "day 0" is is significantly higher than everyone elses.

Sorry poor wording here. But the fact that Italy's curve starts higher means it shouldn't surprise you that we don't track it exactly.

Edited March 13, 2020 by Tuna

[jimmillen]

3 minutes ago, Yokel Again said:

hasn't this one already been confirmed as not true? (or atleast large parts of it).

Yep. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/taiwan-experts-self-check/

[Avalon_Fields]

35 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

It’s ironic that Italy is the worst in Europe for the virus and what are people stockpiling in the U.K.? Pasta, their national dish! 

I'm stockpiling potatoes, corn and rice, staple food of Bolivia (Virus-free)

[Breeze]

16 minutes ago, Pipine said:

Sorry, poor wording on my part, the chief scientific officer said most people get a mild illness but in at risk groups such as older people a different immune response is triggered and a worse illness ensues..   Its better for the majority of society who aren't in the at risk group to get it so that the population as a whole builds up immunity.

Understood but if you are in a risk group because you are diabetic, immuno-compromised, have blood disorders, endochrine disorders, are pregnant, over 50, asthmatic, are a smoker etc. etc. etc. then you may not agree with that approach. Unless those people are firewalled somehow from the rest of the population while they get a mild infection (most of them - even some not in those groups get a serious condition)?

[Breeze]

6 minutes ago, Tuna said:

The normalisation on the y axis for t=0 isn't misleading?  

Also we were told only yesterday by the CMO that there may be 10k infected. Plug in that number 😉

[thrillhouse188]

26 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Yesterday we were literally told we're about 4 weeks from Italy, not 2 as this graph suggests. I really dislike this plot, given UK and Italian infections began around the same time, it seems to suggest we are literally lagging behind Italy by 2 weeks which is false. What it looks like they've done is deliberately chopped up the overall rise in infection of the UK in order to get the best fit to Italy, ie cherry picking data

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, Breeze said:

Understood but if you are in a risk group because you are diabetic, immuno-compromised, have blood disorders, endochrine disorders, are pregnant, over 50, asthmatic, are a smoker etc. etc. etc. then you may not agree with that approach. Unless those people are firewalled somehow from the rest of the population while they get a mild infection (most of them - even some not in those groups get a serious condition)?

they 'firewall' themselves by taking stronger personal measures than others need to.

Those vulnerable people can, for instance, avoid large gatherings to firewall themselves. It then doesn't much matter to them if there is a large gathering that they're not at.

[uscore]

6 minutes ago, Fingerbobs said:

Might we'll work out this way bit would be a bit unfair to make Michael watch his own party through his binoculars whilst locked in his bedroom.

It's "no over 60s".   you can have one over 60.

[eFestivals]

Just now, Breeze said:

Also we were told only yesterday by the CMO that there may be 10k infected. Plug in that number 😉

but if you do that, you also need to plug in the extras for other places.  

For instance, the numbers indicate a huge number of undetected cases in Italy - while the UK numbers don't really suggest that for the UK.

[Joshuwarr]

I think there is minimal risk to the event itself being held. *However* my assumption is there may be a major impact on the build up and its hard to know what impact there will be on the supply chain. 

Others may know more than I on this!

[Avalon_Fields]

15 minutes ago, HattersBoy said:

 

Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds.

 

Yo! Virus-free zone. 98 seconds. 🤢

[HattersBoy]

1 minute ago, Avalon_Fields said:

Yo! Virus-free zone. 98 seconds. 🤢

I am on a conference call and burst out laughing when I saw this 😆 

[oneeye]

An interesting listen as to how we could manage moving forward.

 

[Havors]

32 minutes ago, Jack.194 said:

Is the general consensus that Glastonbury going ahead (while obviously uncertain) is about 50/50 atm?

I though Emily’s wording yesterday seemed particularly negative.

It is completely at the mercy of the Government..... and when or if they ban mass gatherings. It is likely they may do at some point... so its just about timing. As far as we are concerned with wanting the festival to happen, the sooner they do it the better so its not in place in June. 

[eFestivals]

10 minutes ago, jimmillen said:

Yep. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/taiwan-experts-self-check/

facebook is also a dangerous virus, but nobody seems to care about social distancing and self-isolating.  

[Breeze]

Premier League just suspended until April 3rd though I expect that date will get extended. Football being more sensible than the govt IMHO.

[squirrelarmy]

16 minutes ago, Avalon_Fields said:

Premier League suspended (Unsurprisingly)

EFL also suspended. Plans to resume 4th of April. 

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, thrillhouse188 said:

Yesterday we were literally told we're about 4 weeks from Italy, not 2 as this graph suggests. I really dislike this plot, given UK and Italian infections began around the same time, it seems to suggest we are literally lagging behind Italy by 2 weeks which is false. What it looks like they've done is deliberately chopped up the overall rise in infection of the UK in order to get the best fit to Italy, ie cherry picking data

how do we know Italian and UK infections started about same time...all we can really go off is death rate.

Anyway, whatever it is, we are following same curve as other countries...except those like S Korea and Japan...and we're being told to wash hands.

[Pipine]

10 minutes ago, Breeze said:

Understood but if you are in a risk group because you are diabetic, immuno-compromised, have blood disorders, endochrine disorders, are pregnant, over 50, asthmatic, are a smoker etc. etc. etc. then you may not agree with that approach. Unless those people are firewalled somehow from the rest of the population while they get a mild infection (most of them - even some not in those groups get a serious condition)?

Yes, I said in a previous post I don’t understand why the government isn’t asking those at risk groups to self isolate now, I’ve asked my parents to because they’re both recovering from cancer and have other health issues.  I get the main message of the CMO but don’t understand the lack of protection for at risk groups atm.. telling them to avoid cruises is not enough!

[Vidsidasta]

4 minutes ago, Joshuwarr said:

I think there is minimal risk to the event itself being held. *However* my assumption is there may be a major impact on the build up and its hard to know what impact there will be on the supply chain. 

Others may know more than I on this!

Based on this, is it possible that Glastonbury could have a "limited" build this year?  Less structures, (technically) bigger capacity for the stages that remain, more open areas, less smaller acts, etc.?

I'm sure those people who pay their ticket balance would be quite happy with that kind of compromise.  I'm not understating the importance of advance planning and I'm sure there is much already in play for the site build, but cutting it back somewhat would allow for staff shortages and sicknesses, and material supplies, a little.