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Good morning all. Don’t post much, more of a reader than a writer.  Thought I’d share my personal experience of the outbreak. I’m based in China, in one of the provinces worst hit by COVID o

Update. I coincidentally saw them again today. Turns out they could source the hand sanitiser from China after all and actually ordered double the amount!  It will keep for years so no problems there.

All the containment in the country, and all it takes is for an infected illegal immigrant to come by boat and the whole process restarts

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Talking of conspiracy theories I read somewhere that each time theres a big election I.e the US election there is a new pandemic threat. I think it's a bit of a stretch for trump though. The curious thing is that the protests in Hong Kong, Brexit and the US election have all been on the backburner since this broke really. 

Just food for thought I suppose. 

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The restrictions will include banning all public gatherings and preventing all movement other than for work and emergencies. Jeez, it really sucks to be other there at the moment, at least ban them going to work too...

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7 minutes ago, Garrett_Salas said:

going to throw my negativity hat into the ring. seems a bit naïve to think this will all be done and over by June. There also comes a point where, as much as we all would like it to go ahead, it becomes irresponsible to hold an event like Glastonbury. 

Yes and no, our highest ranking health experts have repeatedly said large scale open air gatherings are not a risk and banning them with have little impact.

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Time for another rare serious post. 
 

A lot of people around the internet are saying our government isn’t doing enough and we should be taking drastic measures such as in Wuhan and Northern Italy. I’m actually wondering what can we do?

Is it even possible for the country to stop all international travel and force everyone to self isolate for two weeks while it all blows over? What happens in two weeks, we may be able to stop the virus temporarily but we still need food to be imported and people need to travel. People will still travel into the country and the virus will flare up again. 
 

China managed to quarantine several regions but they had enough of their country still functional so they could keep those parts of the country supplied with food and the economy ticking over. Italy is quarantining their Northern regions, the southern parts of the country can assist to keep their country moving.

(While I was typing this the news broke that Italy has locked down their whole country, will be interesting to see what happens there)


If there was single region in the UK where the virus was spreading and a quarantine of that region was possible I could understand such a move. I have no problem sacrificing Lancashire for the greater good. (Sorry had to squeeze in a little humour 😂)
 

I’d love to know what feasible options we have other than trying to minimise infection on a local scale as much as possible. 

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Where did it all go wrong for Italy? Is stopping big events likely to stop us getting to the point we're literally locked down? 

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1 minute ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

Aye, its a game changer.

Not in relation to Glastonbury, it’s another country and 3.5 months away. Their measures are in place till the start of April. 

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Just now, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Yes and no, our highest ranking health experts have repeatedly said large scale open air gatherings are not a risk and banning them with have little impact.

One was quoted as saying that banning football matches doesn't make sense as one person won't give it to 70,000 which seemed to spectacularly miss the point and go against all the advice coming from the WHO etc.

But then again, I know frig all about this

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Just now, priest17 said:

Where did it all go wrong for Italy? Is stopping big events likely to stop us getting to the point we're literally locked down? 

I was thinking this, when does any of this breach basic human rights too?

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Just now, Ozanne said:

Not in relation to Glastonbury, it’s another country and 3.5 months away. Their measures are in place till the start of April. 

Yeah, I meant in general, real life. 

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1 minute ago, thrillhouse188 said:

Hmmm, I definitely had some shortness of breath with my flu a few weeks ago.. 🤔

Maybe you had a mild symptom of cornavirues

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1 minute ago, priest17 said:

Where did it all go wrong for Italy? Is stopping big events likely to stop us getting to the point we're literally locked down? 

One of my team is Italian and she was saying today that Italians are like, I quote, "naughty school children" and don't like following guidelines. She wasn't surprised it has spread there and that they weren't following the hand washing guidelines or self isolation, unlike Brits who she seemed to think were talking it more seriously.

Her words, not mine, but I thought it was interesting.

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Just now, SwedgeAntilles said:

Yeah, I meant in general, real life. 

Fair play. Well it’s a game changer for them, for us in the UK (if you are in the UK) then it won’t change anything. 

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My country, Israel, is starting to force everyone who visits abroad to 14 days quarantine. I currently live in NYC which stopped my parents to visit me. That's kinda harsh step (so far 50 cases in the country and 0 deaths) - we'll see if it'll really help to prevent it from spreading, one thing for sure is it is awful for the economy.

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1 minute ago, jparx said:

One of my team is Italian and she was saying today that Italians are like, I quote, "naughty school children" and don't like following guidelines. She wasn't surprised it has spread there and that they weren't following the hand washing guidelines or self isolation, unlike Brits who she seemed to think were talking it more seriously.

For this exact reason, America is catastrophically fucked.

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1 minute ago, Ddiamondd said:

For this exact reason, America is catastrophically fucked.

Nothing in relation to Glasto, but the number of high-profile officials across the US who are being forced to declare their self-isolation or contact with diseased peoples is eye-popping. Mirror that spread in common society, where many people are either dismissing the news as fake news or acknowledging it but ignoring it, or fear going for tests due to high costs, and you have a huge powder keg.

If only they had Bernie not Biden to hammer Trump over his failings on this and turf him out of office. Alas...

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4 minutes ago, jparx said:

One of my team is Italian and she was saying today that Italians are like, I quote, "naughty school children" and don't like following guidelines. She wasn't surprised it has spread there and that they weren't following the hand washing guidelines or self isolation, unlike Brits who she seemed to think were talking it more seriously.

Her words, not mine, but I thought it was interesting.

So we can avoid it getting too nasty if enough of the UK listens to reason.

Suddenly slightly less optimistic for us.

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Not particularly convinced by the culture argument. Rate in Germany is shooting up and they love their rules. Plus the individual response to Corona virus in the UK only really kicked in once it was in Europe (i.e. Italy).

From the sounds of it, Italian officials were slack on the initial containment.

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Keeps following the same pattern. Once a country has a significant amount of cases they see it for what it is and enact draconian measures the likes of which the world quite frankly has never seen.
 

Countries do not do shit like this for no good reason - they usually underplay risk at almost any cost to protect the economy.

Italy just went full blown China!

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12 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Time for another rare serious post. 
 

A lot of people around the internet are saying our government isn’t doing enough and we should be taking drastic measures such as in Wuhan and Northern Italy. I’m actually wondering what can we do?

Is it even possible for the country to stop all international travel and force everyone to self isolate for two weeks while it all blows over? What happens in two weeks, we may be able to stop the virus temporarily but we still need food to be imported and people need to travel. People will still travel into the country and the virus will flare up again. 
 

China managed to quarantine several regions but they had enough of their country still functional so they could keep those parts of the country supplied with food and the economy ticking over. Italy is quarantining their Northern regions, the southern parts of the country can assist to keep their country moving.


If there was single region in the UK where the virus was spreading and a quarantine of that region was possible I could understand such a move. I have no problem sacrificing Lancashire for the greater good. (Sorry had to squeeze in a little humour 😂)
 

I’d love to know what feasible options we have other than trying to minimise infection on a local scale as much as possible. 

  • Not having handshakes and hugs at the end of football. 
  • Forcing sport to be "behind closed doors". 
  • Aggressively encouraging remote work. 
  • Announcing an emergency extension to statutory sick pay so that people on a low income don't risk it when they should be self isolating.
  • Banning all gatherings over 1000 people.

You know, there are measures that can be taken.  I'm not going to say they should do any of this, but there are things that can be done.

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2 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:
  • Not having handshakes and hugs at the end of football. 
  • Forcing sport to be "behind closed doors". 
  • Aggressively encouraging remote work. 
  • Announcing an emergency extension to statutory sick pay so that people on a low income don't risk it when they should be self isolating.
  • Banning all gatherings over 1000 people.

You know, there are measures that can be taken.  I'm not going to say they should do any of this, but there are things that can be done.

  • Shutting down schools and colleges
  • ensuring any arrivals in the UK self isolate for 14 days

 

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