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I am 50/50 on whether the festival will go ahead at present. The decider maybe the willingness of international acts to tour over the summer. For example is T Swift really going to carry on with touring around the EU festival circuit and even if willing to personally what about trying to get insurance? 

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Good morning all. Don’t post much, more of a reader than a writer.  Thought I’d share my personal experience of the outbreak. I’m based in China, in one of the provinces worst hit by COVID o

Update. I coincidentally saw them again today. Turns out they could source the hand sanitiser from China after all and actually ordered double the amount!  It will keep for years so no problems there.

All the containment in the country, and all it takes is for an infected illegal immigrant to come by boat and the whole process restarts

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Trump alludes to 'natural ability' in medicine

US President Donald Trump has suggested he might have "a natural ability" in medical research, as his government fended off criticism of an inadequate response to the coronavirus outbreak.

On a tour of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, he told reporters: “I like this stuff. I really get it." 

Mr Trump said he had had a “great, super-genius uncle” who taught at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. 

“People are really surprised I understand this stuff. Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-51781573

What a time for this delusional twit to be in charge

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3 hours ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Fair enough, but what you actually said was "That’s a proper defeatist mentality, if you’re prepared and motivated nothing can stand in your way on ticket day. "

Clearly luck and all those other people can stand in your way! 

Fair enough, but what I actually meant was,

"That’s a proper defeatist mentality, if you’re prepared and motivated only bad luck can stand in your way"

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6 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

What a time for this delusional twit to be in charge

But he’s just saved the world with a single tweet. Can he be in charge here too

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So liam and neol are sat at home thinking how can we get oasis back together without us both looking like a pair of Dicks !! 

I know liam says we will create a virus and release it around the globe and when all the international acts wont travel we can reform at the 11th hour and headline the pyramid and save the day 🤣🤣🤣

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OK, I've got another one for you to consider. Alter the letters in coronavirus, and the only word that you can come up with in the English language with 11 letters is carnivorous. Mistake? I think not. It is just wrong to eat a Pangolin. 

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45 minutes ago, lukethekid said:

Fair enough, but what I actually meant was,

"That’s a proper defeatist mentality, if you’re prepared and motivated only bad luck can stand in your way"

I get paid to be pedantic so it's hard to shake it off! 

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4 hours ago, Ozanne said:

Why do this? Every time I’ve seen someone come here with a possible bit of good news or hope you quickly pour cold water over it. Can’t you let people have the hope for a bit, what does dampening expectations really do?

Because I'm a medical scientist. We deal in facts, face realism and work in probabilities......just like Prof Whitty. I am optimistic that Glasto can still go ahead, its really a numbers waiting game. It's still to early to call.  

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11 minutes ago, Lycra said:

Because I'm a medical scientist. We deal in facts, face realsim and work in probabilities......just like Prof Whitty

I heartily agree. I think vast majority of public are yet to understand what’s about to hit us both in terms of the infection itself but also the society changes we’re all going to have to adapt to for possibly many months. If you believe in science you should be really concerned. 
 

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9 minutes ago, Splatt said:

I heartily agree. I think vast majority of public are yet to understand what’s about to hit us both in terms of the infection itself but also the society changes we’re all going to have to adapt to for possibly many months. If you believe in science you should be really concerned. 
 

Agreed. Unfortunately, confirmation bias is rife here. I don't begrudge people their ignorance - we're all on that spectrum somewhere - but it gets a bit much when people shout down those who're qualified in their field, or have at least done due diligence, because they'd quite like things to go their way. We'd all love for Glastonbury 50 to happen, and we'd all be gutted if it didn't, but that's not an argument.

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23 minutes ago, Splatt said:

I heartily agree. I think vast majority of public are yet to understand what’s about to hit us both in terms of the infection itself but also the society changes we’re all going to have to adapt to for possibly many months. If you believe in science you should be really concerned. 
 

Stop trying to wind people up. Yes it's not a good moment but it isn't as bad as you are making it out to be, last weekend you were saying there was no chance the festival goes ahead kind of like you'd be happy to see it cancel. The language you use could easily make people panic,  I have family that work in the medical profession who say things aren't as bad as they seem in the media. The language you are using is irresponsible.

 

41 minutes ago, Lycra said:

Because I'm a medical scientist. We deal in facts, face realism and work in probabilities......just like Prof Whitty. I am optimistic that Glasto can still go ahead, its really a numbers waiting game. It's still to early to call.  

I appreciate your background and knowledge but it wouldn't hurt to let people enjoy the hope even if its just for a bit. Say it does get cancelled then people will have had the worry on top of the disappointment whereas with a bit of possible good news at last there's some positivity before the disappointment.

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48 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

I get paid to be pedantic so it's hard to shake it off! 

I learnt to be a pedant in my last job. If I didn't then the contractors would walk all over me. If every single little thing wasn't mentioned in a specification, then they'd be cost implications. I guess your job is the same? Obviously if you are in contract law, then it's a given.

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2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Yes it's not a good moment but it isn't as bad as you are making it out to be

Can you elaborate please? Also I don’t appreciate your personal attacks. I’m raising my own opinions and not commenting on anyone else’s. Everyone is free to make up their own mind. 

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7 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I appreciate your background and knowledge but it wouldn't hurt to let people enjoy the hope even if its just for a bit.

Suggesting that somebody with "background and knowledge" is therefore stopping people from 'enjoying the hope' is a false equivalency. It's not up to the people who know what they're talking about to cater for your sensibilities, it's up to you to compartmentalise.

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1 hour ago, Lycra said:

Because I'm a medical scientist. We deal in facts, face realism and work in probabilities......just like Prof Whitty. I am optimistic that Glasto can still go ahead, its really a numbers waiting game. It's still to early to call.  

To be fair you were saying that he wasn't taking into account the trajectory of the virus when he said it was not beneficial to cancel large events. 

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47 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Stop trying to wind people up. Yes it's not a good moment but it isn't as bad as you are making it out to be, last weekend you were saying there was no chance the festival goes ahead kind of like you'd be happy to see it cancel. The language you use could easily make people panic,  I have family that work in the medical profession who say things aren't as bad as they seem in the media. The language you are using is irresponsible.

 

I appreciate your background and knowledge but it wouldn't hurt to let people enjoy the hope even if its just for a bit. Say it does get cancelled then people will have had the worry on top of the disappointment whereas with a bit of possible good news at last there's some positivity before the disappointment.

The positivity is that it ain't happened yet and as I have stated, the chances of catching the virus at present are extremely low and there is no current justification for cancelling anything. But things can change quite quickly. The outbreaks in China, Iran and the closed sect  in South Korea didn't spontaneously become large. They were allowed to grow large because of ignorance and people being in denial. Fortunately we live in an open society and by being open and honest, discussing the issues and potential ramifications, like Chris Whitty and others have, we are in a far better place to confront this menace. As they say, the first part of tackling a problem is acknowledging there is a problem

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5 minutes ago, Lycra said:

The positivity is that it ain't happened yet and as I have stated, the chances of catching the virus at present are extremely low and there is no current justification for cancelling anything. But things can change quite quickly. The outbreaks in China, Iran and the closed sexy in South Korea didn't spontaneously become large. They were allowed to grow large because of ignorance and people being in denial. Fortunately we live in an open society and by being open and honest, discussing the issues and potential ramifications, like Chris Whitty and others have, we are in a far better place to confront this menace. As they say, the first part of tackling a problem is acknowledging there is a problem

By positivity I meant when someone comes here and posts a story saying large mass gatherings should go head or what not then a few posts later you post saying why that isn't as good as it seems. I saw it a few times and whilst I appreciate it's part of the conversation wouldn't it be ok just to leave that bit of hope there. Either way I'm not disputing any of your post above, people in general should be cautious and careful.

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This thread by its very nature will evoke strong emotions ..... we must retain a level of decency when hearing different views and thoughts to ours .... I dont think anyone wants the festival to be cancelled,  but we must be open to the fact it is possible and other people might be thinking like that .... I sway from day to day(  even hour  by hour)   in my thoughts so its not impossible for others to be fixed on one view or the other . ... hopefully though we can try continue with a decent friendly build up and the other threads to go ahead as normal .... keeping this virus contained to this thread .... peace out and happy weekend all 

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1 minute ago, waynewdk said:

Upto 206 now

It's going to go up to a few thousand, which still isn't alot but will be thought of as the end of the world as currently the media are making out the entire of Italy is some post apocalyptic wasteland 

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2 minutes ago, waynewdk said:

Upto 206 now

Is that the number that have it? Does it take into consideration those that have recovered?

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12 minutes ago, pryce said:

To be fair you were saying that he wasn't taking into account the trajectory of the virus when he said it was not beneficial to cancel large events. 

That's correct. I have always maintained that there is no current justification to cancel any event in the UK but that could change at any point. Currently the UK is still in the containment phase of the outbreak, teetering on entering the next phase of action as outlined by Chris Whitty...Delay....

Delay means slowing the rate of infection and to do that need to change the behaviour of the public. Catch it, kill it, bin it and washing hands regularly are already out there as part of this campaign. Other steps to reduce transmission rates will be announced if deemed necessary.

I think I wrote over 100 pages back that what happens in March will be the key to determining if Glasto goes ahead. 

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