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1 minute ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

If Glastonbury is cancelled, then you would assume every other festival will be too? Or at least every other camping festival? And if not then I guess they’d put some arbitrary attendance figure on what gets cancelled and what doesn’t?

But let’s say they set that at 100k, Glastonbury gets cancelled but loads of others don’t, but then cumulatively all the ones that don’t get cancelled would have a much higher attendance figure than Glastonbury so collectively will still create a bigger issue than Glastonbury in its own, so basically that would pointless as well.

So realistically it has to be all or none, but what would happen then? Surely you’d get (illegal?) mass gatherings set up all over the place anyway?

I doubt all the festivals in Europe will be cancelled honestly.

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1 minute ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

If Glastonbury is cancelled, then you would assume every other festival will be too? Or at least every other camping festival? And if not then I guess they’d put some arbitrary attendance figure on what gets cancelled and what doesn’t?

But let’s say they set that at 100k, Glastonbury gets cancelled but loads of others don’t, but then cumulatively all the ones that don’t get cancelled would have a much higher attendance figure than Glastonbury so collectively will still create a bigger issue than Glastonbury on its own, so basically that would be pointless as well.

So realistically it has to be all or none, but what would happen then? Surely you’d get (illegal?) mass gatherings set up all over the place anyway?

If things like Glastonbury are to be cancelled then why haven't all current major sporting events such as football been cancelled too?

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3 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

If things like Glastonbury are to be cancelled then why haven't all current major sporting events such as football been cancelled too?

I think people are talking about if there are 1000s of cases in England come June what will happen.

The fact is, at the minute, there aren't so current sporting events won't be affected in the UK.

In Italy, they are being affected a fair bit - Serie A games will be played behind closed doors and the cup semi-finals have been postponed. In Asia, events such as Hong Kong 7s, Chinese Grand Prix and Thailand Moto GP have all been cancelled or postponed.

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4 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

If things like Glastonbury are to be cancelled then why haven't all current major sporting events such as football been cancelled too?

I’m not saying it is or isn’t to be cancelled, but there is a lot of anxiety on here that if things worsen then there is a risk it might be cancelled.

My point was simply if the Government step in and force it to be cancelled surely that means ALL festivals (in the uk) have to be cancelled... and that happens then? Mass illegal gatherings of people that pick up on the newly created demand l?

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>>If things like Glastonbury are to be cancelled then why haven't all current major sporting events such as football been cancelled too?

Glastonbury wont be much good behind closed doors. 

The footy can cope as people will be happy to watch on telly.

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You have to bear in mind that the festival organisers are also relying on infrastructure sub-contractors and companies that individually have to make their own judgement on whether they can work for GFL whilst putting their own employees/contractors at risk of catching the virus.

How would they be covered if their workers got very ill working at the festival when they had the option of pulling out as a precaution?

With something on the scale of Glasto, losing say 25% of these services could severely hamper efforts to get the place up and running in the first place.

All these types of logistical obstacles stand in the way. This applies to any major event or gathering. In many cases it's probably easier to cancel.

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2 minutes ago, northernringo said:

I think people are talking about if there are 1000s of cases in England come June what will happen.

The fact is, at the minute, there aren't so current sporting events won't be affected in the UK.

In Italy, they are being affected a fair bit - Serie A games will be played behind closed doors and the cup semi-finals have been postponed. In Asia, events such as Hong Kong 7s, Chinese Grand Prix and Thailand Moto GP have all been cancelled or postponed.

I'm willing to bet that by June we'll be well into the hundreds of thousands.

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For those who are saying "this is just a bloody cold" then try to imagine you're over 80 or that someone you love is over 80. The confirmed case death rate for over 80s is 20%. That's not trivial, so please don't make light of this. There's no need to panic, but there's every need to care for the weak and elderly.

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2 minutes ago, wonker said:

I'm willing to bet that by June we'll be well into the hundreds of thousands.

And by that point cancelling Glastonbury won’t do a thing to make a difference. 

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3 minutes ago, Gilb said:

You have to bear in mind that the festival organisers are also relying on infrastructure sub-contractors and companies that individually have to make their own judgement on whether they can work for GFL whilst putting their own employees/contractors at risk of catching the virus.

How would they be covered if their workers got very ill working at the festival when they had the option of pulling out as a precaution?

With something on the scale of Glasto, losing say 25% of these services could severely hamper efforts to get the place up and running in the first place.

All these types of logistical obstetrical stand in the way. This applies to any major event or gathering. In many cases it's probably easier to cancel.

I sort of made this point in the other thread. On one hand the government could force a cancellation, but on the other GFL may reach a point where that have to cancel it themselves as it’s simply unviable, due to acts/contractors pulling out in a big enough scale.

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13 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

If things like Glastonbury are to be cancelled then why haven't all current major sporting events such as football been cancelled too?

They will in time. There is no need to currently as it doesn't have a great deal of impact on the number of infections currently and the services can deal with the number of ill etc. It's important that people can be infected in a controlled manner as it's now a case of when not if they will become infected i.e. regardless of control measures the % people ultimately infected by the virus will be largely the same, it can no longer be stopped - the focus is ensuring that whatever the ultimate % of people infected turns out to be, they don't all become ill in the space of 1-3 months. I know people don't like to hear this but the dice have now been rolled and if you believe in science and epidemiological modelling it's very hard to see it otherwise. 

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1 minute ago, Gilb said:

You have to bear in mind that the festival organisers are also relying on infrastructure sub-contractors and companies that individually have to make their own judgement on whether they can work for GFL whilst putting their own employees/contractors at risk of catching the virus.

How would they be covered if their workers got very ill working at the festival when they had the option of pulling out as a precaution?

Yes, risky, yet there’s a very large ecosystem of freelancers, artisans, and contractors who literally wouldn’t survive financially if all festivals - and the rest of the cultural calendar - were to be cancelled. People not on the luxury of a steady salary, sick leave, blah blah. 
 

It’s hard to see how we just shut down all this stuff...

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4 minutes ago, wonker said:

I'm willing to bet that by June we'll be well into the hundreds of thousands.

China hasnt even gotten into the hundreds of thousands.... 

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4 minutes ago, hfuhruhurr said:

For those who are saying "this is just a bloody cold" then try to imagine you're over 80 or that someone you love is over 80. The confirmed case death rate for over 80s is 20%. That's not trivial, so please don't make light of this. There's no need to panic, but there's every need to care for the weak and elderly.

I agree with the majority of your post but where have you got that statistic from?

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18 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

If Glastonbury is cancelled, then you would assume every other festival will be too? Or at least every other camping festival? And if not then I guess they’d put some arbitrary attendance figure on what gets cancelled and what doesn’t?

But let’s say they set that at 100k, Glastonbury gets cancelled but loads of others don’t, but then cumulatively all the ones that don’t get cancelled would have a much higher attendance figure than Glastonbury so collectively will still create a bigger issue than Glastonbury on its own, so basically that would be pointless as well.

So realistically it has to be all or none, but what would happen then? Surely you’d get (illegal?) mass gatherings set up all over the place anyway?

it'll be something like "all gatherings of more than X amount of people". 

I reckon it'll be over a few hundred - they're not going to be fucking up people's weddings - but beyond that it's just about impossible to know what they might set the number at.

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7 minutes ago, hfuhruhurr said:

For those who are saying "this is just a bloody cold" then try to imagine you're over 80 or that someone you love is over 80. The confirmed case death rate for over 80s is 20%. That's not trivial, so please don't make light of this. There's no need to panic, but there's every need to care for the weak and elderly.

I agree with you, I don’t have any grandparents left but my parents are in their seventies so naturally I’m concerned for them.

That said, when you get into your 80s... most things are pretty dangerous and likely to kill you, bog standard old flu included. Like it or not it’s just a fact of life. 

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3 minutes ago, Havors said:

China hasnt even gotten into the hundreds of thousands.... 

That's because they haven't released the control measures yet. They need to and then more will become infected. It's all about controlling aka delaying the impact of a large number of people being ill. It will be almost impossible to eradicate it from the country therefore the epidemic will continue across the country in a hopefully controlled manner. 

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Someone in my office in London has been tested positive for this. I am working from home today but will be back in next week, but the offices have all been deep-cleaned etc. Quite unsettling now it is in my office, but still think that the precautions taken mean that the virus will be spread as little as possible!

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1 minute ago, Splatt said:

That's because they haven't released the control measures yet. They need to and then more will become infected. It's all about controlling aka delaying the impact of a large number of people being ill. It will be almost impossible to eradicate it from the country therefore the epidemic will continue across the country in a hopefully controlled manner. 

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5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

it'll be something like "all gatherings of more than X amount of people". 

I reckon it'll be over a few hundred - they're not going to be fucking up people's weddings - but beyond that it's just about impossible to know what they might set the number at.

Yeah that was my thinking, if G goes then everything has to, otherwise what’s the point, if you allow much smaller events to go ahead when you tot them all up they still present the same opportunity to spread the virus as one big event.

I’m just struggling to get my head round the knock on effect of cancelling every music festival. Surely free enterprise kicks in resulting in loads of black market events?

 

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16 minutes ago, Havors said:

China hasnt even gotten into the hundreds of thousands.... 

Because China has literally locked down a whole region of its country, forced cities to close their borders with no one allowed to travel in and out. If European countries don't follow a similar tactic then the cases throughout Europe could easily spiral to hundreds of thousands.

They also have a compulsory phone app in china where you can see where the nearest person diagnosed with the virus is compared to where you are(exact distance), and you are screened to see if you have the virus upon entering shopping centres etc and if you are entering or leaving the country. 

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14 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

it'll be something like "all gatherings of more than X amount of people". 

I reckon it'll be over a few hundred - they're not going to be fucking up people's weddings - but beyond that it's just about impossible to know what they might set the number at.

5,000 was the french figure presumingly picked out the air but could see something similar for us.

so all sporting event,  concerts etc but not weddings and other smaller gatherings.

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4 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

Because China has literally locked down a whole region of its country, forced cities to close their borders with no one allowed to travel in and out. If European countries don't follow a similar tactic then the cases throughout Europe could easily spiral to hundreds of thousands.

If you're not a medical professional or related, I suggest you take a read of this and follow suit - https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/04/liverpool-manager-jurgen-klopp-washes-hands-coronavirus-questions-superb-rant-12345493/

 

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