9 ways Glastonbury has to improve for 2020 according to the local council

[fatyeti24]

"More work is also needed to prevent "cross-contamination" between drinking water taps and toilets."

I wasn't aware of this issue, but yes, do this. Do this right away. Make it the number one priority. 

Edited January 11, 2020 by fatyeti24

[stuie]

6 minutes ago, fatyeti24 said:

"More work is also needed to prevent "cross-contamination" between drinking water taps and toilets."

I wasn't aware of this issue, but yes, do this. Do this right away. Make it the number one priority. 

What does that even mean? How do the toilets, which have no water connection, cross contaminate water taps? 🤔

[Gnomicide]

27 minutes ago, fatyeti24 said:

"More work is also needed to prevent "cross-contamination" between drinking water taps and toilets."

I wasn't aware of this issue, but yes, do this. Do this right away. Make it the number one priority. 

More of a number two priority, to be honest.

[Gnomicide]

20 minutes ago, stuie said:

What does that even mean? How do the toilets, which have no water connection, cross contaminate water taps? 🤔

Someone said on Twitter it was the cleaning teams using the sinks for cleaning water.

[mazola]

2 hours ago, chazwwe said:

Thanks for posting the list. I refuse to give sommersetlive a click. 

Every time some posts a Sommersetlive link someone follows up with a comment like this like they are the Daily Mail or something.

It's a good article.

[chazwwe]

Just now, mazola said:

Every time some posts a Sommersetlive link someone follows up with a comment like this like they are the Daily Mail or something.

It's a good article.

I'm sure it is, but 1 good article does not mean I want to click on a site that constantly posts clickbaity 'news', false rumours, or literally just talk from here.

[stuartbert two hats]

14 minutes ago, mazola said:

Every time some posts a Sommersetlive link someone follows up with a comment like this like they are the Daily Mail or something.

It's a good article.

They seem to have stepped things up recently in the Glastonbury coverage.

[glasto-worker]

5 hours ago, marathonsteve said:

They send in Mystery shoppers  / Drinkers to the bars

 

5 hours ago, marathonsteve said:

They have to ensure that bar staff are not selling to under age customers

 

4 hours ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

So they just go undercover from bar to bar all day, blending in with the rest of us buying drinks on the council expense? It must be tough work but I suppose someone has to do it. 

Well any drinks they attempt to buy ' are not actually drunk '

its all very weird because the people they use carry ID that has marked on it # this is Counterfeit ID # but they will only show it on demand.

Trading Standards do these under age tests at all main festivals - they will do 10 random checks and then will report to the DPS { the person who's name is on the actual licence and who is responsible for every Bar { no matter who Operates that bar }

if a certain bar has two fails ' then that bar will be closed for retraining ' but if its more than that its very likely to be closed down - the DPS has the power to do that.

in my experience it tends to be younger inexperienced Servers who appear to be reluctant to ask for ID - Its really down to the ' front line Managers ' keeping a eye on them and it should be quickly picked up in a well run bar. 

The DPS has a small team that may pick a few random bars although that is not part of the Trading Standards checks and its more a ' Pre check ' before the real check is made.

If its detected that Challenge 21 wristbands have been issued incorrectly then a Bar or group of bars may impose a extra ID Check 

I was at another festival and spotted two ' under 12 year old children' who had been issued Challenge 21 wristbands - they were not attempting to buy a drink they just happened to walk past me so for that event no Challenge 21 wristband was accepted.

[eFestivals]

9 hours ago, Madyaker said:

Why do the council care how much alcohol people bring in? 

they don't. They care that they're not in control of the alcohol supply via the licencing system, because they (as the council where it's happening) are held responsible for any underage drinking.

Other councils have been successful at getting tighter alcohol restrictions because of it. So far Glastonbury have fought this off, but sooner or later the council are likely to force this on them.   

[dotdash79]

8 hours ago, stuie said:

What does that even mean? How do the toilets, which have no water connection, cross contaminate water taps? 🤔

from the more detailed report. 
 

MDC staff observed instances whereby unacceptable cleaning practices were observed for toilets. GFEL should work with contractors to ensure:
a) Appropriate use of PPE designed to protect the health of workers, and
b) Ensure safe  practices are in place to prevent accidental cross contamination of
drinking water taps from staff accessing water to clean toilets

[stuie]

8 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

Someone said on Twitter it was the cleaning teams using the sinks for cleaning water.

 

4 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

from the more detailed report. 
 

MDC staff observed instances whereby unacceptable cleaning practices were observed for toilets. GFEL should work with contractors to ensure:
a) Appropriate use of PPE designed to protect the health of workers, and
b) Ensure safe  practices are in place to prevent accidental cross contamination of
drinking water taps from staff accessing water to clean toilets

Ah, that makes sense - and should be stopped obviously!

I get the impression that, given the conditions on a farm, they do a good job at preventing bacterial infections.   Has there ever been an instance of larger numbers of people getting sick?

 

[hfuhruhurr]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

they don't. They care that they're not in control of the alcohol supply via the licencing system, because they (as the council where it's happening) are held responsible for any underage drinking.

Other councils have been successful at getting tighter alcohol restrictions because of it. So far Glastonbury have fought this off, but sooner or later the council are likely to force this on them.   

yep - the council has a duty of care for everyone underage. I sit in on the Reading Fest debriefs and the infrastructure put in place to look after that much (on average) younger crowd has to be admired and recognised, it's a huge responsibility.

[eFestivals]

17 minutes ago, hfuhruhurr said:

yep - the council has a duty of care for everyone underage. I sit in on the Reading Fest debriefs and the infrastructure put in place to look after that much (on average) younger crowd has to be admired and recognised, it's a huge responsibility.

which is all fair enough, but there's also a hugely greater number of legal drinkers who are impacted by a change of rules. Beyond that, it would change the whole nature of the festival, and push it further towards the identikit box that regulation forces festivals in to.

Glastonbury is luckier than most because it existed before regulation and has been at the forefront of leading good practice. It puts in in a good place to argue back.

[Dukeicon]

12 hours ago, dotdash79 said:

Where is Springfield? Is that an external camp site?

Springfield Cross is this Crossroads here which is North of the site on the A361.

https://www.google.com/maps/@51.1705893,-2.5731423,264m/data=!3m1!1e3

Found this from the traffic orders document "A361 Lay-by east of Springfield Cross to the south side of the road" and from a FOI police Document "The emergency RVP Off site is at the Old Bus station near Springfield Cross on the A361 from where vehicles could be dispatched onto the site by the appropriate route".

[ian the worm]

I love asking punters for ID and writing each challenge on the register. It gives me a sense of enormous well-being, then I’m happy for the rest of the day safe in the knowledge there will always be a bit of my heart devoted to it.

[ChemicalBrother]

12 hours ago, MaxPower said:

9. Water supply:
The festival must do more to ensure sufficient water (including bottled water) is available near the stages and at times of high demand (e.g. if hot weather is forecast). 

Sorry, the council are recommending banning the plastic bottle ban ??? Who in their right mind would even think that would be an improvement, let alone write it down in a report. 

[parsonjack]

Ref the comment regarding personal amount of alcohol this is from the report.....

Security
8.1 A more robust briefing for all Gate staff to ensure uniformity in relation to prohibited articles.
8.2
Consideration given to introduce a set limit on the personal amount of alcohol being brought on 
site thus promoting consistency and fairness.
8.2 Consideration given to modify the current admissions policy in consultation with the lead 
responsible authority (Somerset County Council) and the GFEL specialist Safeguarding Lead. 
8.4 Consideration given to GFEL funding additional police resources for hotspots offsite.

 

I take this to mean that there have been inconsistencies with amounts of alcohol being allowed on site by gate security, where in some circumstances the amount has been thought to be above that reasonable for 'personal consumption' and therefore potentially for illegal resale.  A set limit would help to ensure consistency and fairness.  No immediate suggestion therefore that any tangible reduction in amount is on the cards.

[kalifire]

I can't see how it could possibly be enforced. Who's to say somebody with a trolley stacked high with crate after crate of cider isn't carrying for a group of 6-10, over five full days? It would be impossible to judge how much is too much when it's not known how many it's for or for how long it will last.

Also, has anyone ever been approached by a sketchy geezer quietly asking if they're interested in a Dark Fruit Strongbow? Alcohol re-selling might go on, but I've never seen or heard of it.

Edited January 11, 2020 by kalifire

[jparx]

8 minutes ago, kalifire said:

I can't see how it could possibly be enforced. Who's to say somebody with a trolley stacked high with crate after crate of cider isn't carrying for a group of 6-10, over five full days? It would be impossible to judge how much is too much when it's not known how many it's for or for how long it will last.

Also, has anyone ever been approached by a sketchy geezer quietly asking if they're interested in a Dark Fruit Strongbow? Alcohol re-selling might go on, but I've never seen or heard of it.

I can see this ending up as a small line on the website saying "don't bring excessive booze", and they just target one or two people a year who are literally caught backing up a lorry full of kegs to their tent.

[parsonjack]

10 minutes ago, kalifire said:

I can't see how it could possibly be enforced. Who's to say somebody with a trolley stacked high with crate after crate of cider isn't carrying for a group of 6-10, over five full days? It would be impossible to judge how much is too much when it's not known how many it's for or for how long it will last.

Also, has anyone ever been approached by a sketchy geezer quietly asking if they're interested in a Dark Fruit Strongbow? Alcohol re-selling might go on, but I've never seen or heard of it.

Exactly....un-policeable.

[parsonjack]

2 minutes ago, jparx said:

I can see this ending up as a small line on the website saying "don't bring excessive booze", and they just target one or two people a year who are literally caught backing up a lorry full of kegs to their tent.

....this too.  

I think we can all go back to the Foals debate......

[Crazyfool01]

56 minutes ago, kalifire said:

I can't see how it could possibly be enforced. Who's to say somebody with a trolley stacked high with crate after crate of cider isn't carrying for a group of 6-10, over five full days? It would be impossible to judge how much is too much when it's not known how many it's for or for how long it will last.

Also, has anyone ever been approached by a sketchy geezer quietly asking if they're interested in a Dark Fruit Strongbow? Alcohol re-selling might go on, but I've never seen or heard of it.

Back probably 10years ago ... 3 for £5 was common place but seemed to dissapear along with the wax flares deal 

[stuartbert two hats]

7 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Back probably 10years ago ... 3 for £5 was common place but seemed to dissapear along with the wax flares deal 

Unexpectedly, I bought 3 Stella for a fiver at Dolly Parton in 2014.

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Unexpectedly, I bought 3 Stella for a fiver at Dolly Parton in 2014.

I think it still happens ... but seemed to be very common back in those days ... the vodka jelly seems to be a dying trade too ... I always wondered who was brave enough to part with their money .. and did they actually contain much /any vodka ? 

[MEGABOWL]

1 hour ago, kalifire said:

I can't see how it could possibly be enforced. Who's to say somebody with a trolley stacked high with crate after crate of cider isn't carrying for a group of 6-10, over five full days? It would be impossible to judge how much is too much when it's not known how many it's for or for how long it will last.

Also, has anyone ever been approached by a sketchy geezer quietly asking if they're interested in a Dark Fruit Strongbow? Alcohol re-selling might go on, but I've never seen or heard of it.

It has happened to me yeah, down in the S.E. Corner.

Thing I don’t get is, even if they get really strict on the gates, there’s nothing to stop people making multiple trips to their car.