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When Lost Prophets man gets out of prison then yes, by all means he is legally entitled to make music and attempt to distribute and play it publicly. Of course it’s highly unlikely that he would be ab

Why? Are you in Widnes protection?

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3 hours ago, jparx said:

I take on your points but I still stand by everything I’ve said. 

And part of the equation is your list up there ^. Glastonbury probably ain’t securing many of those. Mac, Madonna and Grande seem way out there. Especially given how much the finances will have been hammered. We may be looking at a couple years of “cheaper” lineups, and certainly not throwing the money at someone like Madonna. Lorde would be a far easier and cheaper booking to make, and IF the new album does well I don’t think it would look massively out of place.

Again, I’m not looking at it now. It’s dependent on that new record. She has all the makings of a headliner and I personally think the new record bangs and puts her in contention.

Now this is an interesting point, not just in terms of the artists names above but in the wider context. Given that festivals, punters, artists and everyone will be feeling the pinch in the next year or so will we see artists who may previously have been too expensive lower their prices? I know the likes of Madge can afford to never lift another finger for the rest of their lives but if they want to get out and perform then they won’t be able to justify the massive fees they charge anymore. Would she, or the Mac, suddenly see the benefit in taking a lower fee and shifting a few thousand extra albums off the back of their performance?

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1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said:

Now this is an interesting point, not just in terms of the artists names above but in the wider context. Given that festivals, punters, artists and everyone will be feeling the pinch in the next year or so will we see artists who may previously have been too expensive lower their prices? I know the likes of Madge can afford to never lift another finger for the rest of their lives but if they want to get out and perform then they won’t be able to justify the massive fees they charge anymore. Would she, or the Mac, suddenly see the benefit in taking a lower fee and shifting a few thousand extra albums off the back of their performance?

My hunch is that festivals will be strapped for cash and those artists will stick to playing stadiums. I think it’s more likely festivals end up with smaller stature/cheaper headliners than the expensive acts lower their prices, personally.

Those acts can still play stadiums and fleece people on the golden circle type tickets.

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13 minutes ago, jparx said:

My hunch is that festivals will be strapped for cash and those artists will stick to playing stadiums. I think it’s more likely festivals end up with smaller stature/cheaper headliners than the expensive acts lower their prices, personally.

Those acts can still play stadiums and fleece people on the golden circle type tickets.

Although there's also the fact that - for the most part - the promoters & producers capable of putting on those stadium shows (especially when you're talking about acts that are signing international deals) are the same few companies who have large festivals to book.

Live Nation are allegedly hurting for cash either way - it may well affect the budgets at their festivals, but it's equally likely to affect the guarantees they can afford to play when booking acts into Wembley etc - meaning more of the risk falls onto the act - someone well placed (possibly John Giddings?) has said that in pretty much as many words in an interview or one of those panel discussions. From that perspective festivals may be a safer bet especially with if there's any uncertainty over being able to sell out.

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1 hour ago, jparx said:

My hunch is that festivals will be strapped for cash and those artists will stick to playing stadiums. I think it’s more likely festivals end up with smaller stature/cheaper headliners than the expensive acts lower their prices, personally.

Those acts can still play stadiums and fleece people on the golden circle type tickets.

Glastonbury has become THE festival to play if you’re in the music industry. We’ve transitioned from the zeitgeist not giving a shit to pretty much anyone with a following wanting to play. That won’t go away. Pandemic or not.

I’m not convinced with this smaller headline talk. I think it’s slightly misunderstood.

By smaller headliners I think it means taking a chance on a newbie. Not someone a few years into their career.

Smaller headliners to me sounds more like your Billie Eilish / Dave type not Lorde who has had her moment in the spot light.

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1 hour ago, PolygonWindow said:

Apologies - of course it didn’t get missed 😂

 

what’s the general consensus re Glasto after this?

Gotta be a good bet he’s back. A lot of other festivals who had him this year have released their lineups without him which could throw some doubt in to it, but with Glastonbury not having announced yet + that festival being right afterwards, I’d be surprised (and pissed) if he’s not there now. 

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18 minutes ago, FloorFiller said:

Gotta be a good bet he’s back. A lot of other festivals who had him this year have released their lineups without him which could throw some doubt in to it, but with Glastonbury not having announced yet + that festival being right afterwards, I’d be surprised (and pissed) if he’s not there now. 

Nah, if Glastonbury 2021 it's on, Kendrick is 100% there. At this stage it's the most safe headliner to return. 

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On 9/18/2020 at 12:51 PM, jparx said:

My hunch is that festivals will be strapped for cash and those artists will stick to playing stadiums. I think it’s more likely festivals end up with smaller stature/cheaper headliners than the expensive acts lower their prices, personally.

Those acts can still play stadiums and fleece people on the golden circle type tickets.

But you should understand that there will be artists that are willing to take a lower fee to play a festival because money is money at this point. Itll be an aberration for a year or so and then things might get back what they were. I mean thats the silver lining we should be looking at is that everyone that isnt a megastar will be hurting for money and take whats offered. What the big promoters want for the stadium gigs is guaranteed sell outs and not try out up and coming acts for that.

U2 are rumored to be planning at Zoo Tv anniversary tour for example  and thats going to likely do very well because of the success the Joshua Tree tour had. A few niche stadium tours like that will be easy money in the bank and LN et al will be willing to low ball everyone else until they get their money back. The biggest thing with LN is that theyre a publicly traded company so they have to make bolder moves to appease shareholders. 
 

And with one of the bigger talent agencies going under there is less of a monopoly happening with artists and how they get booked. If you look at how much control a few agencies had on festival line up you can see the handicap that the bookers have nowadays. There were always package deals to appease the agencies if somebody wanted to book one artist. So the fest would have to take on 4 or 5 other acts from their roster or else they dont let that one key act sign.  Here is how Coachella 2020’s poster was broken down by agency. Notice anything? 

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6 hours ago, Suprefan said:

But you should understand that there will be artists that are willing to take a lower fee to play a festival because money is money at this point. Itll be an aberration for a year or so and then things might get back what they were. I mean thats the silver lining we should be looking at is that everyone that isnt a megastar will be hurting for money and take whats offered. What the big promoters want for the stadium gigs is guaranteed sell outs and not try out up and coming acts for that.

U2 are rumored to be planning at Zoo Tv anniversary tour for example  and thats going to likely do very well because of the success the Joshua Tree tour had. A few niche stadium tours like that will be easy money in the bank and LN et al will be willing to low ball everyone else until they get their money back. The biggest thing with LN is that theyre a publicly traded company so they have to make bolder moves to appease shareholders. 
 

And with one of the bigger talent agencies going under there is less of a monopoly happening with artists and how they get booked. If you look at how much control a few agencies had on festival line up you can see the handicap that the bookers have nowadays. There were always package deals to appease the agencies if somebody wanted to book one artist. So the fest would have to take on 4 or 5 other acts from their roster or else they dont let that one key act sign.  Here is how Coachella 2020’s poster was broken down by agency. Notice anything? 

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I didn’t read the text on the post as my eyes went straight to the poster.

My first thought was “God, I am getting old. I’ve never heard of any of these. Also, why have they got the same people headlining twice?”

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1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said:

My first thought was “God, I am getting old. I’ve never heard of any of these. Also, why have they got the same people headlining twice?”

And bloody wrestlers at that! 
(I didn’t have my reading glasses on)

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7 hours ago, Suprefan said:

U2 are rumored to be planning at Zoo Tv anniversary tour for example  and thats going to likely do very well because of the success the Joshua Tree tour had.

This is interesting. A thirty year anniversary tour for a tour - or essentially its stage setup. If they can update it for present times, it could be really good.

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1 hour ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Though does reverse banjax them bringing it back to Glastonbury as a one off in 2011. A bit.

Did they not just play a bunch of songs from the album to open the show rather than bringing the actual tour setup with them?

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I’d have them back.

I enjoyed them last time around, despite the atrocious weather. 

Wasn’t a classic by any means, but they’ve got all the ingredients there to have another pop. 

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3 hours ago, dentalplan said:

Obviously it’s at odds with the ‘stadium bands sticking to stadiums’ chat but I do wonder if Springsteen is gonna enter the fray with this new album what he has done with E Street.

Springsteen feels like a member of the “one and done” club to me.

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17 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

Springsteen feels like a member of the “one and done” club to me.

I definitely would have agreed with this at the time he played, but since that first detour on to the festival circuit in 2009, he's continued to include a few festival stops on each ESB tour since, including return visits to Pinkpop and Rick in Rio Lisboa. At this point I don't think it can be ruled out.

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10 minutes ago, incident said:

I definitely would have agreed with this at the time he played, but since that first detour on to the festival circuit in 2009, he's continued to include a few festival stops on each ESB tour since, including return visits to Pinkpop and Rick in Rio Lisboa. At this point I don't think it can be ruled out.

Given the current strain on medical infrastructure I’m not sure the South West Emergency Services could handle 80,000 people dying of boredom in one go.

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1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said:

Given the current strain on medical infrastructure I’m not sure the South West Emergency Services could handle 80,000 people dying of boredom in one go.

🤣

i'll always have a soft spot for that set because it was my first Glasto, but yeah, long. 

Christ, that was a cracking year in retrospect. 

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