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  1. 1. Who did you vote for?

    • Brexit Party
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    • Conservatives
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    • Green Party
      23
    • Labour
      356
    • Liberal Democrats
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    • SNP
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13 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Strap in for constituency boundary change fuckery and other gerrymandering that's going to keep them ensconced in power until the end of time. They tried it before, but now they've got the numbers.  Voter ID, the works. 

 

 

well that hope didn't last long :( cruelty to crazy fool :) 

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Sorry - but I'm not sure there's much to be optimistic about. Whilst everyone's busy punching left it won't have escaped the attention of the very worst people in the country that they won an election whilst lying through their teeth and otherwise dodging scrutiny. We've been Bannonised and fucked by Big Data again.  The genie's out the bottle, and I doubt that even a super-competent centre lefter is going to be able to stuff it back in.

 

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No no no Mr Crazy. Nothing to worry about. 
Boundary changes are a reality of all governments. It didn’t keep Labour out of power for 13 of the last 22 years

What has kept them out of power the rest of the time has been a combination of weak leaders and unpalatable policies. 

If Labour get a good leader and move away from this hard left experiment that has not worked, the voters will return I promise you 

 

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Just now, CaledonianGonzo said:

Sorry - but I'm not sure there's much to be optimistic about. Whilst everyone's busy punching left it won't have escaped the attention of the very worst people in the country that they won an election whilst lying through their teeth and otherwise dodging scrutiny. We've been Bannonised and fucked by Big Data again.  The genie's out the bottle, and I doubt that even a super-competent centre lefter is going to be able to stuff it back in.

 

thats fair enough ... just trying to try and raise my own low hopes a little 

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1 minute ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Sorry - but I'm not sure there's much to be optimistic about. Whilst everyone's busy punching left it won't have escaped the attention of the very worst people in the country that they won an election whilst lying through their teeth and otherwise dodging scrutiny. We've been Bannonised and fucked by Big Data again.  The genie's out the bottle, and I doubt that even a super-competent centre lefter is going to be able to stuff it back in.

 

Come on man. The Tories have now got a job ahead of them that will make Labours Brexit dilemma seem like child’s play. 
Tories have to do Brexit to an impossible timeline, keep a load of new voters happy who hate them, and deal with a coming recession. 
they will fuck it up and then I pray Labour aren’t still peddling a failed hard left ideology. Be ready with someone fantastic and untainted and a strong shadow cabinet. No boundary changes will stop them getting in! 

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You're assuming a level playing field and the Government acting in good faith - which is way more benefit of the doubt than I'm prepared to give them.  It isn't 1997 and we aren't up against John Major any more.

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1 minute ago, Benja100 said:

Come on man. The Tories have now got a job ahead of them that will make Labours Brexit dilemma seem like child’s play. 
Tories have to do Brexit to an impossible timeline, keep a load of new voters happy who hate them, and deal with a coming recession. 
they will fuck it up and then I pray Labour aren’t still peddling a failed hard left ideology. Be ready with someone fantastic and untainted and a strong shadow cabinet. No boundary changes will stop them getting in! 

Need to do what they should have done years ago and see if they can coax David Miliband back into politics, then make him leader.

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9 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Need to do what they should have done years ago and see if they can coax David Miliband back into politics, then make him leader.

Yes this please 

However you can’t blame him for staying out of the toxic sludge that is UK politics

The problem is I can’t see Momentum admitting they got it wrong and the project is over and they have a lot of influence in the party. 

Ed Miliband has a lot to answer for 

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11 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

You're assuming a level playing field and the Government acting in good faith - which is way more benefit of the doubt than I'm prepared to give them.  It isn't 1997 and we aren't up against John Major any more.

If the Tories fuck it all up, which they will, it wont matter how the votes are distributed or historic boundaries changing. Friday showed us that. All Labour need is to accept they got it badly wrong for a while and change direction. Please. 

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I wouldn't worry on the latter score. I think pendulum swing back to the centre inevitable. But that's not going to be much use if things go full fash which - while not inevitable - is now a possibility. 

Let's see how quick they are to start moving on page 48 of their manifesto.

 

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54 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Matt was speaking about and the reasons the Conservatives have taken the seats. It had absolutely nothing to do at all with Labours policies. In Heywood/Middleton and Bury, the only reason Labour lost their seats was due to the Brexit party vote

Do you truly believe that? How many times does labour have to peddle this “oh well they didn’t want socialism this time, but they will want it next time!” narrative before you understand? The tories have you nailed. I’m telling you now.

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Brexit won this election, it was like a crap prize won in a raffle that hadn’t been delivered yet! But because it had been won people had to have it at any cost. The amount of people that I am talking to up here (Scotland) that are saying “ what the fuck are they doing down there??”

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I don't know why I keep coming back into this thread. It does nothing for my health. 

If I were a stronger man I'd actively look for work opportunities outside of this country; I have no optimism left and can't even begin to fathom what the best course of action is.

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8 minutes ago, zeppelin said:

I don't know why I keep coming back into this thread. It does nothing for my health. 

If I were a stronger man I'd actively look for work opportunities outside of this country; I have no optimism left and can't even begin to fathom what the best course of action is.

It makes me very sad to read this and I demand you try to find something positive to focus on please :)

you are a prisoner of your own perspective in that someone living a very similar life to you in your street is possibly the happiest person in your town

The world is full of events beyond our control and the more you think about them the more unhappy you could get

Labour losing the election is not the worst thing to happen in the world yesterday there will be victims of horrendous crimes and accidents and terrible injustices and circumstances 

The UK has a lot to offer. It is far from perfect but if you’re that down about an election result you’ll find misery anywhere with that attitude

Think of the millions/billions of people in the world who would love to live here. If you earn £14k or more you’re in the top 4% of global income. Healthcare, education, services, social welfare.... not perfect but some countries don’t have any of it at all!  
 

Don't squander the opportunity to enjoy living here, have some resolve to help some others, make the difference you can, block out the things you can’t change, and enjoy your life :)

 

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Read somewhere yesterday that, Google had said the most popular search they had was the cost of moving Scotland , not sure if its true or not

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I have gone for a day out to Burnley vs Newcastle today. Outside Turf Moor they are doing collections for a food bank. 

Burnley voted tory for the first time in their lives.

Disgusting.

 

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56 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Do you truly believe that? How many times does labour have to peddle this “oh well they didn’t want socialism this time, but they will want it next time!” narrative before you understand? The tories have you nailed. I’m telling you now.

Matt look at the images below. One of these is for Bury South and the other from Middleton/Heywood. The Tories made next to no increase in vote share in Mid/Heywood, all the losses went to the Brexit Party. Now the Tories made a bit more of an impact in Bury but Labour still would have won if they had not lost votes to the Brexit party.

Brexit was the main reason why Labour lost seats in the Machester satellite towns. It had absolutely nothing to do with Labour policy. In places like Langley in Middleton, people can not spell economic policy, nevermind know what it means. It is the type of place where they think inflation is something you hire for the kids birthday and they jump up and down on it, in the garden. Middleton is the type of place where the residents go mad because Roy Chubby Brown concerts fet canceled by the venue holders. 

Now I am not having a pop at Middleton as it is just as bad, if not worse where I live. But I promise you that Brexit is the main factor for Labour losing seats round here, not its policies.

 

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On 12/13/2019 at 2:06 PM, FuzzyDunlop said:

As someone who lives in Heywood and Middleton, A traditional Labour heartland in North Manchester, 1 the Tories won - I am as well served as any on the forum to answer some of this.

Reasons they won it

1. Brexit. Brexit is the number one issue. People voted to leave. Like that or not. Lied to or not - they did. People around here believe they have not been listened to. I didn't vote in the referendum as I didn't care about whether we left or not. I still don't. There is an argument for each. Before 2016 the EU wasn't discussed by people I know. Now it is. The public have been duped into believing its an overriding issue in my opinion. However, that duping has led to it being the reason so many people around here voted for the Tories.

I believed that would see a surge in Brexit party votes. I thought there would be a protest vote. Just not to the Tories.

2. Overconfidence from Labour. Up until Monday I had not received a labour leaflet. I had not had anyone at my door. The Tories 3 leaflets. Brexit 1. Whilst that's only a small thing, I believe Labour never thought a 7,500 majority would be overturned.

3. Corbyn. He wasn't well liked. I heard people under the age of 40 complaining about him being an IRA sympathiser. That was an issue. My grandma is Labour through and through. She was a nurse. In 1984 my granddad died, she decided to become even more politically active. She was at orgreave helping miners who had been beaten by the cops. She was on pickets in Chesterfield. She has never voted anything but Red. She did again yesterday, but only just. When she is having 2nd thoughts - I knew there was trouble. Her issue. Corbyn was a leaver. Always was a leaver, but he flip flopped around. He can't be trusted. She voted to remain, but she felt that to not leave was an attack on democracy.

4. Diane Abbott. Like this or not. She is ridiculed. People laughed at her. Even if it was at times, downright lies and bullying.

5. People not taking labour seriously. "Free this, free that, free the other". That was how people saw the manifesto. Rather than looking at it and analysing it. It was seen as a magical mystical document.

6. People not caring. Turnout was low. A massive section of society around here didn't bother. There is large unemployment. I can imagine what the Tories will think of Langley and Darn Hill. 2 Massive council estates.

7. America. They have trump, we have Boris

8. Racism. Heywood is a racist place. I know it is. I rarely rarely see a non white face. It is the only town in the country that has a pub which hangs a pre apartheid South African flag outside of it.

I know Im requoting myself, but on Heywood & Middleton, the above is how I see it.

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2 hours ago, blue6field said:

Read somewhere yesterday that, Google had said the most popular search they had was the cost of moving Scotland , not sure if its true or not

ive been busy on google :) 

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3 hours ago, eastynh said:

Matt look at the images below. One of these is for Bury South and the other from Middleton/Heywood. The Tories made next to no increase in vote share in Mid/Heywood, all the losses went to the Brexit Party. Now the Tories made a bit more of an impact in Bury but Labour still would have won if they had not lost votes to the Brexit party.

Brexit was the main reason why Labour lost seats in the Machester satellite towns. It had absolutely nothing to do with Labour policy. In places like Langley in Middleton, people can not spell economic policy, nevermind know what it means. It is the type of place where they think inflation is something you hire for the kids birthday and they jump up and down on it, in the garden. Middleton is the type of place where the residents go mad because Roy Chubby Brown concerts fet canceled by the venue holders. 

Now I am not having a pop at Middleton as it is just as bad, if not worse where I live. But I promise you that Brexit is the main factor for Labour losing seats round here, not its policies.

 

 

Yes those working class lowlifes are so stupid aren't they? They looked at the tory and thought they were voting for Morrissey.

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I have fished out the leaflet from the outside bin & read his plan... 20,000 more police officers for Heywood & Middleton! We will be safe as fuck. Back page = all Brexit

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why are labour supporters still trying to prove to people that their policies are popular? I think if labour is to progress the socialist goggles need to come off.

Don’t give me a “well if brexit wasn’t a thing we would have a socialist country” argument. It’s not true and further fetched than anything I’ve ever said.

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7 minutes ago, FuzzyDunlop said:

I have fished out the leaflet from the outside bin & read his plan... 20,000 more police officers for Heywood & Middleton! We will be safe as fuck. Back page = all Brexit

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"CLARKSON"  in super size font too! He couldn't lose!

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