Homer Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 Discussing labour probs/solutions on bbc news channel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyDunlop Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Homer said: If anyone is interested in what are are discussing now - what Labour did wrong and needs to do now and why people 'like' Johnson - then they were discussing it right at the end of Newsnight last night when I got in and it was very interesting. Discussion with a Labour activist and columnist and a uni politics expert - about the last 5/10 mins:https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000c64d/newsnight-13122019 Just watched it. Quite a good debate. Corbyn's refusal to sing the national anthem was a big thing for a few people I know of. People I follow due to the football team I support. They had it in for him for that. I pointed out how poltically correct that is, to have to sing a song... it didn't go down too well. Edited December 14, 2019 by FuzzyDunlop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaryclaireyfairy Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 32 minutes ago, Benja100 said: I think everyone can join me in saying FUCK KATIE HOPKINS Ignore her, give her no mentions. She's just a professional troll trying to sort out her finances and get back on the property ladder after being rinsed in court. Ignore her and let her stay poor, it's the best lesson for her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, scaryclaireyfairy said: Ignore her, give her no mentions. She's just a professional troll trying to sort out her finances and get back on the property ladder after being rinsed in court. Ignore her and let her stay poor, it's the best lesson for her. That goes for all controversial commentators right or left. They're just paid to pretend they have an opinion. Saw someone dug up an old apparent Owen Jones column advocating leaving the EU (unless it was fake, I didn't check). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, FuzzyDunlop said: Just watched it. Quite a good debate. Corbyn's refusal to sing the national anthem was a big thing for a few people I know of. People I follow due to the football team I support. They had it in for him for that. I pointed out how poltically correct that is, to have to sing a song... it didn't go down too well. If you're feeling really brave, Johnson addressing northern town coming up on BBC News. I'm not sure I'm up to it yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyDunlop Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 Just now, Homer said: If you're feeling really brave, Johnson addressing northern town coming up on BBC News. I'm not sure I'm up to it yet... Sod that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Homer said: Nationalising broadband? And even that were the case, they chose the wrong man to sell it then Why is that considered so radical? Internet access is an essential service. We know it is as there’s a load of government stuff you can only apply for online. Not to mention job hunting and so on. It’s new, so doesn’t have the history of being nationalised like utilities or trains, but it absolutely would have been if it were about in the 30s. So why do we all find that notion so weird? I’d imagine in the answer to that is the answer to why Labour did so badly. Why do people believe that free broadband for everyone is less realistic then negotiating a whole new trade deal with the largest trading block in the world by next Christmas? For me, I think it’s over now. We had our shot at doing some radical and different, the British people were even onside, but then the referendum happened and that was where people chose to make their stand against what the establishment was telling them to do. And it still hasn’t happened, we still haven’t left, and people no longer believe that if you vote something different it’ll actually happen. And when it does happen and doesn’t actually fix any problems those people will assume they were screwed over again and cease to engage. I genuinely believe without the referendum a Corbyn like figure could have led a radical left party to an electoral majority. But it’s a once in a generation vote and that vote was for Brexit instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscore Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 The country is too suspicious of socialism at the moment, Labour's manifesto was too radical for the UK as it is today. It's pretty simple, if you've ever seen the Matrix it is explained there. When Agent Smith explains to Morpheus that the first time the machines tried to build the matrix they made it so everyone was happy and content, but humans rejected it because it didn't feel realistic unless things were shit. This is why people vote Conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Matt42 said: Family members of friends in those seats around Manchester that have swung. They feel completely resentful of labour who resorted to promising the world instead of actually reaching out and engaging with the working class issues. Labours manifesto full of things that the working classes don’t want and has become too city centric for them to identify with it. Thats an absolute load of nonesense. The working classes in Manchester satellite towns voted Tory because of Brexit, immigration and the bollocks the media spouted about Corbyn being a terrorist sympathiser. Those were the key issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatyeti24 Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, Homer said: If you're feeling really brave, Johnson addressing northern town coming up on BBC News. I'm not sure I'm up to it yet... Just as an aside, one thing I've detested in this campaign is the prefix 'northern'. Do you ever hear 'southern' used? This focus on what bit of land you were born on, and how that makes you different (from London) is really frustrating. (Said as a tactical lib dem remainer not a million miles from Workington) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 hours ago, FuzzyDunlop said: Ages of votes are interesting wow theres hope ... but not for a while yet ...Thats presumably why twitter was left leaning too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said: wow theres hope ... but not for a while yet ...Thats presumably why twitter was left leaning too Strap in for constituency boundary change fuckery and other gerrymandering that's going to keep them ensconced in power until the end of time. They tried it before, but now they've got the numbers. Voter ID, the works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Music Girl Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 27 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said: wow theres hope ... but not for a while yet ...Thats presumably why twitter was left leaning too Isn't there also a generally accepted trend that people vote more right wing as they get older? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 2 minutes ago, Benja100 said: His record on association with extremely dubious controversial organisations and individuals, many of whom were / are deeply opposed to the West, the UK and the liberal values that we all share, was not manufactured by the media. They may have had a field day on it but they didn’t force him to meet them. His meetings are a matter of public record. Whilst people in denial about Corbyn’s associations that made him unelectable keep thinking / repeating that, lessons won’t be learned and Labour remain unelectable. And then the vulnerable suffer. I can't disagree with anything you have said there, but I was speaking specifically in relation to the working class Manchester satellite towns that Matt was speaking about and the reasons the Conservatives have taken the seats. It had absolutely nothing to do at all with Labours policies. In Heywood/Middleton and Bury, the only reason Labour lost their seats was due to the Brexit party vote. The conservatives made hardly any gains in these areas, the significant loss of votes that Labour suffered pretty much all went to the Brexit party. If Labour had been pro Brexit, they would have retained these seats very easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 13 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said: Strap in for constituency boundary change fuckery and other gerrymandering that's going to keep them ensconced in power until the end of time. They tried it before, but now they've got the numbers. Voter ID, the works. well that hope didn't last long cruelty to crazy fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 ok optimism well and truly over now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 Sorry - but I'm not sure there's much to be optimistic about. Whilst everyone's busy punching left it won't have escaped the attention of the very worst people in the country that they won an election whilst lying through their teeth and otherwise dodging scrutiny. We've been Bannonised and fucked by Big Data again. The genie's out the bottle, and I doubt that even a super-competent centre lefter is going to be able to stuff it back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 Just now, CaledonianGonzo said: Sorry - but I'm not sure there's much to be optimistic about. Whilst everyone's busy punching left it won't have escaped the attention of the very worst people in the country that they won an election whilst lying through their teeth and otherwise dodging scrutiny. We've been Bannonised and fucked by Big Data again. The genie's out the bottle, and I doubt that even a super-competent centre lefter is going to be able to stuff it back in. thats fair enough ... just trying to try and raise my own low hopes a little Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 You're assuming a level playing field and the Government acting in good faith - which is way more benefit of the doubt than I'm prepared to give them. It isn't 1997 and we aren't up against John Major any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Benja100 said: Come on man. The Tories have now got a job ahead of them that will make Labours Brexit dilemma seem like child’s play. Tories have to do Brexit to an impossible timeline, keep a load of new voters happy who hate them, and deal with a coming recession. they will fuck it up and then I pray Labour aren’t still peddling a failed hard left ideology. Be ready with someone fantastic and untainted and a strong shadow cabinet. No boundary changes will stop them getting in! Need to do what they should have done years ago and see if they can coax David Miliband back into politics, then make him leader. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 I wouldn't worry on the latter score. I think pendulum swing back to the centre inevitable. But that's not going to be much use if things go full fash which - while not inevitable - is now a possibility. Let's see how quick they are to start moving on page 48 of their manifesto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt42 Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 54 minutes ago, eastynh said: Matt was speaking about and the reasons the Conservatives have taken the seats. It had absolutely nothing to do at all with Labours policies. In Heywood/Middleton and Bury, the only reason Labour lost their seats was due to the Brexit party vote Do you truly believe that? How many times does labour have to peddle this “oh well they didn’t want socialism this time, but they will want it next time!” narrative before you understand? The tories have you nailed. I’m telling you now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue6field Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 Brexit won this election, it was like a crap prize won in a raffle that hadn’t been delivered yet! But because it had been won people had to have it at any cost. The amount of people that I am talking to up here (Scotland) that are saying “ what the fuck are they doing down there??” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeppelin Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 I don't know why I keep coming back into this thread. It does nothing for my health. If I were a stronger man I'd actively look for work opportunities outside of this country; I have no optimism left and can't even begin to fathom what the best course of action is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue6field Posted December 14, 2019 Report Share Posted December 14, 2019 Read somewhere yesterday that, Google had said the most popular search they had was the cost of moving Scotland , not sure if its true or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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