Homer Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 1 hour ago, fatyeti24 said: Oh it wasn't directed at you, Homes, it was just something that's increasingly got on my tits over the last few weeks! Merry Christmas my friend! X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatyeti24 Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 21 minutes ago, Homer said: Merry Christmas my friend! X Same to you mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 4 hours ago, eFestivals said: appropriation of private property isn't 'centre left'. Yeah it is. Far left is not paying for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt42 Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 Emily Thornberry now caught calling the north stupid. If boris pulls off a successful Brexit we truly will become a one party state. Its just progressively getting worse and worse for labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscore Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 What we really need most now is all the different factions of Labour and the Left to call each other names whilst saying "but they started it" for the next 15+ years of opposition. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommadawn Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 hours ago, Matt42 said: Emily Thornberry now caught calling the north stupid. She's strongly denying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 15 hours ago, FuzzyDunlop said: Apparently this happened in '82 ( before I was born). It took 15 years to win another election. Its very easy to say "never coming back". Things must change. Thats a fact. Never is impossible to predict. Video is a few years old, but you get the idea It isn't as bad as everybody thinks. The swings in recent election have been ridiculous, it could easily swing back Labour's way. Centrism lost the argument in 2010. Miliband was a compromise between centre and centre left and lost again in 2015. That was a far worse outcome, he had 5 years during the calamitous Cameron coalition unencumbered by the Brexit debate and not having been slagged off by half the party since his first day, including having to defeat a vote of no confidence. But whatever else was in play, this election was mainly about Brexit. Since that fateful day we all woke up on the farm to people in neighbouring tents saying 'for fucks sake, i don't believe it', thats the only thing that has really mattered. Now that issue has been put to bed I think Labour can bounce back. Lisa Nandy would be my pick for leader from the current selection. My local MP so a bit biased but is the only candidate I can think of who might be acceptable to both momentum and non momentum factions and I think she'd appeal in the places that Labour struggled this time around. The only blot on her copy paper for momentum is that she rebelled and resigned from the shadow cabinet in the early days of Corbyn's tenure. I wasn't happy with that myself at the time, I thought it was a careerist band wagon jumping dick move but she has avoided slagging off Corbyn and in fact has defended the manifesto which will help her. Lets wait and see! In the meantime, how about another, far more enjoyable Gang of Four (who incidentally have announced a festival in July next year - would like to see em at Glastonbury - albeit the lineup is much changed from the original I think): Edited December 15, 2019 by mattiloy edit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Benja100 said: Centrism lost the argument in 2010? There was a coalition between Cameron who was pretty similar to Blair, and the Lib Dem’s. What’s centrist if that’s not? I remember the lib dem's manifesto was quite popular and mainly thanks to policies that would be deemed 'far left' by centrists - scrapping uni fees, scrapping trident, banking levy, wealth tax, illegal immigrant amnesty. The tory manifesto, if I remember correctly, was mainly to reduce immigration, implement austerity with cuts to local authorities cuts to be replaced by 'the big society'. I still think that smells centre right, despite whatever fluff was added besides. The whole offering was uninspiring. But there was also a rejection of the labour party and that edition of the party was centrist. There was also a rejection of centrism this time represented by the lib dem's capitulation. Centrism doesn't get to have another pop, and it won't get another pop, the party membership votes for the leader, and it isn't centrist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Pee Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 I blame His Dark Materials... They have been banging on about the Frozen North for weeks now. Self fulfilling prophecy. Thanks Philip Pullman. Thanks a lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattiloy Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 Theres a fall song for every occasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscore Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) It is quite interesting to see how opposition supporters are treated in this forum. On a similar vein, my son is taking part in a social experiment. He has to wear a Tory rosette on his shirt for 2 weeks to see how people react. So far he has been spat at, punched and verbally abused. It will be interesting to see what happens when he leaves the house. Edited December 15, 2019 by uscore 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizmoman Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 52 minutes ago, mattiloy said: Theres a fall song for every occasion. "The north has rose today, and you can stuff your aid." Could well be a reaction to labour's attitude and complacency, interesting that only matt42 on here gets why labour failed so badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted December 15, 2019 Report Share Posted December 15, 2019 11 minutes ago, uscore said: It is quite interesting to see how opposition supporters are treated in this forum. On a similar vein, my son is taking part in a social experiment. He has to wear a Tory rosette on his shirt for 2 weeks to see how people react. So far he has been spat at, punched and verbally abused. It will be interesting to see what happens when he leaves the house. Upvote for the comedy not any of the other things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamber Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 To all you who thought it all-right to vote Tory, in former steel towns and coal towns.... I'm from one of those places and we still managed to vote Labour. Corbyn was a howler, but you don't switch to Tory, do you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 13 hours ago, mattiloy said: Centrism lost the argument in 2010. and yet heir-to-Blair Cameron won that election. I'd say centrism won the argument in 2010, not lost it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 I'm not sure it's right to be calling the guy who took us out the EU a centrist to be honest. It being the most radical nationalist thing our government has done of late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 24 minutes ago, DeanoL said: I'm not sure it's right to be calling the guy who took us out the EU a centrist to be honest. It being the most radical nationalist thing our government has done of late. if he'd been hoping to take us out of the EU I'd agree with you; his side losing doesn't make him part of the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuie Posted December 16, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 27 minutes ago, DeanoL said: I'm not sure it's right to be calling the guy who took us out the EU a centrist to be honest. It being the most radical nationalist thing our government has done of late. He didn't expect the result we got though, did he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 No but he offered the referendum. He opened the door. He might not have wanted it himself but he still did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, DeanoL said: No but he offered the referendum. He opened the door. He might not have wanted it himself but he still did it. Same as Labour has to deal with it's internal politics, so does the leader of the tory party. It doesn't necessarily look sensible to people on the outside, and it also doesn't mean it'd be the leader's choice in a perfect world either. And the libdems and Labour had both put out manifestos within the previous decade that also included an EU referendum, and the Greens supported a ref too - so i don't think you can claim wanting a ref to be owned by either the left or the right. And he opened a battle he thought he was going to win - a battle that just about everyone thought he was going to win. It looks far more reckless in hindsight than it did at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simsy Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 Not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet https://www.nme.com/news/music/could-jarvis-cockers-running-the-world-be-this-years-christmas-number-1-2587752. I agree with the sentiment (although I don't agree that an important part of the female anatomy should be the worst insult in the English language). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quark Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 15 minutes ago, Simsy said: Not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet https://www.nme.com/news/music/could-jarvis-cockers-running-the-world-be-this-years-christmas-number-1-2587752. I agree with the sentiment (although I don't agree that an important part of the female anatomy should be the worst insult in the English language). I've always thought boob to be a great insult Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 People need to give Corbyn a break - turns out there was a very good reason for the defeat out of his control also, Why doesn’t he just use his powers to get a second ref too?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grilladelphia Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Homer said: People need to give Corbyn a break - turns out there was a very good reason for the defeat out of his control also, Why doesn’t he just use his powers to get a second ref too?! ah so its Israeli interference rather than Russian??? (in conjunction with the saucer people, under the supervision of the reverse vampires) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscore Posted December 16, 2019 Report Share Posted December 16, 2019 One thing I think would benefit us all in social media land, is to stop finding the very worst tweets or posts from the "opposition" and suggesting they are representative of that particular group. It doesn't matter whether that group is the Tories, Corbynistas, Blairites, or even a rival football team. That someone on the opposite side to you is an idiot, or is abusive, doesn't necessarily make your argument more correct. There are idiots everywhere. People from all flavours of the political spectrum do this. They show all the replies to something they say, and go "look at what this group of people are like". It's a tactic used by so many popular people on twitter, from Owen Jones, to Rachel Riley, to Katie Hopkins. (And yes, aren't you clever if you don't like any of the people in my example before you @ me, there are plenty of others). If you only look for the very worst in the opposition, you'll easily find it on social media, regardless of what angle you are looking from. And you''ll only trap yourself further in your bubble. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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