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4 minutes ago, aj6658 said:

I like this maybe not a week but 24 hour period.

Yeah, anything like this would be fine.

Only issue I suppose is that you immediately have a few people not paying, which means less money in the bank for the festival and more tickets in the resale pot. Not sure how problematic that would be for them.

EDIT: Maybe they could bump the deposit up to £60 to cover this? The overall ticket price has gone up a lot with the deposit staying the same so far, after all.

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Just now, Gingerfish79 said:

I can’t remember who mentioned it earlier, but the idea of pre-paying the deposit seems very sensible to me, it would take a layer of complexity out of the ticket day process. If you’re unsuccessful you get your £50 back. 

Hundreds of thousands of refunds to process? Doesn't sound like a goer.

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1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Nope. Genuinely not. I love the idea of someone going on a whim, having their head turned and completely falling in love with the place.

Like me in 2011.

Keep the deposit. We were lucky this year but so many in the groups I'm helping weren't. Whilst I want to go each time, I still think it can remain as is to give all the fairest chance for tickets, without favouritism or wealth.

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2 minutes ago, Garrett_Salas said:

Can you work through this logic? These tickets don't disappear into thin air.

Sure.

In the October sale it’s a free for all to get a £50 deposit down. Many will put the deposit down despite the fact they haven’t planned / budgeted to attend the festival. Full fee upfront would mean a lot of people who really aren’t arsed about going wouldn’t bother - less people using coding and sly techniques to jam up the system because the demand is so huge!
 

the resale is often harder than the general sale - probably because the competition is higher as many want to get tickets specifically for the lineup / certain acts playing. Saying that they get another chance for a ticket is short sighted as it is like saying “well you have another chance where the odds are even more stacked against you... happy?” It doesn’t solve the initial problem!
 

Just now, bloom92 said:

Do we know the percentage of tickets returned for the resale?

If it’s enough that they can comfortably have another sale then it is a substantial amount.

 

My point is NOT that some people are more entitled to go than others - I just believe there should be more measures in place to stop tickets going to those who don’t really want them. It is NOT about whether someone has or does not have, a right to go.

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Just now, Matt42 said:

My point is NOT that some people are more entitled to go than others - I just believe there should be more measures in place to stop tickets going to those who don’t really want them. It is NOT about whether someone has or does not have, a right to go.

If someone registers over a week in advance, gets up at 9am on a Sunday to bash their way through an overloaded server (or has a friend who does it for them) and puts £50 down on a ticket, they clear the minimum 'want' requirement to go.

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I sort of get what you are saying. Yep, I could probably pay up front so it probably wouldn't impact me. It sticks in my throat though when I consider those it would impact. It's 2 months before Christmas. 270 quid is a lot of cash to fork out for those already having to cut their cloth pretty tight as it is

 

...and what is the benefit going to be? It's not like 100,000 tickets go back in the pot in April because they decide not to go so I reckon those just putting a deposit down just in case aren't massive numbers. The festival will still sell out ridiculously quickly on ticket day... just to a different demographic and that doesn't sit comfortably with me

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2 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

If someone registers over a week in advance, gets up at 9am on a Sunday to bash their way through an overloaded server (or has a friend who does it for them) and puts £50 down on a ticket, they clear the minimum 'want' requirement to go.

And what about those who go out the night before, sleep in and leave it to their friend who is great at coding which finds ways to bypass the system and purchase 60 tickets for people?

It does sound like fairytales and I know life isn’t fair but depending on who you know it isnt a sweat at all to get tickets.

EDIT: I’ve explained my point badly but I know people who have got tickets in recent years and couldn’t even tell you what the booking screen looks like (due to their own choices not circumstance)

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Just now, Matt42 said:

And what about those who go out the night before, sleep in and leave it to their friend who is great at coding which finds ways to bypass the system and purchase 60 tickets for people?

It does sound like fairytales and I know life isn’t fair but depending on who you know it isnt a sweat at all to get tickets.

If that's a thing - I doubt it is - then that's a whole different problem to the one you're trying to combat.

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5 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Sure.

In the October sale it’s a free for all to get a £50 deposit down. Many will put the deposit down despite the fact they haven’t planned / budgeted to attend the festival. Full fee upfront would mean a lot of people who really aren’t arsed about going wouldn’t bother - less people using coding and sly techniques to jam up the system because the demand is so huge!
 

the resale is often harder than the general sale - probably because the competition is higher as many want to get tickets specifically for the lineup / certain acts playing. Saying that they get another chance for a ticket is short sighted as it is like saying “well you have another chance where the odds are even more stacked against you... happy?” It doesn’t solve the initial problem!
 

If it’s enough that they can comfortably have another sale then it is a substantial amount.

 

My point is NOT that some people are more entitled to go than others - I just believe there should be more measures in place to stop tickets going to those who don’t really want them. It is NOT about whether someone has or does not have, a right to go.

Who exactly is sticking 50 quid on something they don’t actually want?

I fear you are once again edging into straw man territory.

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25 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I don’t mind some disagreeing with this take but can we not insinuate I’m being intentionally classist. 
 

The point of my post was there needs to be something done about the people who put down deposits with 0 intention of going / conditional intent to see if someone like FM plays.

How about deposit then instalments leading up to April, helps those without much money and makes people pay more before the lineup. Then only refund £40 regardless of if they’ve paid £50 or £150 or £200 or £250...

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4 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Sure.

In the October sale it’s a free for all to get a £50 deposit down. Many will put the deposit down despite the fact they haven’t planned / budgeted to attend the festival. Full fee upfront would mean a lot of people who really aren’t arsed about going wouldn’t bother - less people using coding and sly techniques to jam up the system because the demand is so huge!
 

the resale is often harder than the general sale - probably because the competition is higher as many want to get tickets specifically for the lineup / certain acts playing. Saying that they get another chance for a ticket is short sighted as it is like saying “well you have another chance where the odds are even more stacked against you... happy?” It doesn’t solve the initial problem!
 

If it’s enough that they can comfortably have another sale then it is a substantial amount.

 

My point is NOT that some people are more entitled to go than others - I just believe there should be more measures in place to stop tickets going to those who don’t really want them. It is NOT about whether someone has or does not have, a right to go.

What are these sly techniques?

Everyone who tries wants to go, that’s the problem. For many who haven’t been before they need to actually go to appreciate it and know for sure how much they genuinely want to go. 

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7 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Sure.

In the October sale it’s a free for all to get a £50 deposit down. Many will put the deposit down despite the fact they haven’t planned / budgeted to attend the festival. Full fee upfront would mean a lot of people who really aren’t arsed about going wouldn’t bother - less people using coding and sly techniques to jam up the system because the demand is so huge!
 

the resale is often harder than the general sale - probably because the competition is higher as many want to get tickets specifically for the lineup / certain acts playing. Saying that they get another chance for a ticket is short sighted as it is like saying “well you have another chance where the odds are even more stacked against you... happy?” It doesn’t solve the initial problem!
 

If it’s enough that they can comfortably have another sale then it is a substantial amount.

 

My point is NOT that some people are more entitled to go than others - I just believe there should be more measures in place to stop tickets going to those who don’t really want them. It is NOT about whether someone has or does not have, a right to go.

I hear what you're saying but this just cuts every chance for 6 people who don't have £1500 in October, for me, that would be £3000 as I was paying for 2 groups. Given that Glastonbury has Socialist leanings, was started by a Methodist, promotes equality and social justice, how could it determine who really wants to go, and then financially hinder the less well off?

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Just now, Hugh Jass said:

Who exactly is sticking 50 quid on something they don’t actually want?

I fear you are once again edging into straw man territory.

I worry that you are far removed from a very real crowd that attend / don’t attend the festival.

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3 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

Who? Who is doing this exactly? Do you have any evidence that the above is happening?

It’s a thing. I don’t wanna say anymore because I don’t endorse it at all nor use it myself. But I know for a fact that there is a way to cheat the system.

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9 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I worry that you are far removed from a very real crowd that attend / don’t attend the festival.

But how are you coming to this conclusion? I would get your point if 50,000 tickets were back in the pot come April but it's nowhere near those numbers. Plus take in to account the tickets that do go back where circumstances have genuinely changed and they wouldn't be able to go regardless of whether they had paid 50 or 270 quid. It has the potential to change the whole demographic of the festival when I reckon it's much less than 10 percent of successful purchases on ticket day that are buying just in case they fancy it come June 

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1 minute ago, Hugh Jass said:

I think we have now reached peak “Matt inventing things to argue against” with this thread.

I’m totally fine with you not believing me but it is a thing. Those skilled at coding find ways to get to that reg page a different way.

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