Is it OK to book bands who sing about killing Tories?

[dentalplan]

1 minute ago, gigpusher said:

That certainly changes the context but vote out all Tories would probably be more effective. 

I mean yes it would be more effective because people would actually attempt to do what the song says unlike the actual title. Would be a kind of lame song.

1 minute ago, jump said:

I agree but this got started after someone saw their merch which is a shirt that says kill tory scum.

Mm yeah that’s a bit grim.

[gigpusher]

1 minute ago, dentalplan said:

I mean yes it would be more effective because people would actually attempt to do what the song says unlike the actual title. Would be a kind of lame song.

 

People have the power is a song about democracy and probably going to be better remembered than anything by Killdren so it's about being creative. 

[eFestivals]

14 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

I feel like the “(Before They Kill You)” bit of the title is being needlessly missed from discourse. 

yup, probably. People tend to only hear what they want to hear.

[eFestivals]

16 minutes ago, priest17 said:

I don't think its quite the same as people wearing swastikas. Showing support for a government regime that committed genocide ..,..

/sits back and waits for condemnation of Corbyn's sidekicks.  

Edited June 3, 2019 by eFestivals

[priest17]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

/sits back and waits for condemnation of Corbyn's sidekicks.  

Aye. Fuck 'em.

[Winslow Leach]

I feel far more uncomfortable about The Cure potentially playing Killing an Arab, to be quite honest.

[ivan]

I like Metallica's view which is not aimed at any particular group

"Kill em All "

[Winslow Leach]

 

[The Martini Police]

14 minutes ago, Winslow Leach said:

I feel far more uncomfortable about The Cure potentially playing Killing an Arab, to be quite honest.

Because they're headlining and have more attention? If it's that, surely it should be consistent (otherwise where's the line?). Or is it just because you hate tories and not arabs?

[Winslow Leach]

4 minutes ago, The Martini Police said:

Because they're headlining and have more attention? If it's that, surely it should be consistent (otherwise where's the line?). Or is it just because you hate tories and not arabs?

I must have missed the spike in violent hate crimes against Tories. There's an entire history, context, and set of connotations, rooted in tangible real-world acts of violence, discrimination and oppression, that exist for phrases like 'kill all Jews' that simply don't exist for members of the Conservative party, and I cannot believe that this isn't blindingly obvious.

Different things are not the same.

[Mash011]

6 minutes ago, The Martini Police said:

Or is it just because you hate tories and not arabs?

yes

[Winslow Leach]

Just now, Mash011 said:

yes

I mean, this as well.

[rivalschools.price]

30 minutes ago, ivan said:

I like Metallica's view which is not aimed at any particular group

"Kill em All "

Haha

Who’d have thought that Metallica would be leading the way on non-discrimination.

[Chris Wilders Moretti]

17 minutes ago, Winslow Leach said:

I must have missed the spike in violent hate crimes against Tories. There's an entire history, context, and set of connotations, rooted in tangible real-world acts of violence, discrimination and oppression, that exist for phrases like 'kill all Jews' that simply don't exist for members of the Conservative party, and I cannot believe that this isn't blindingly obvious.

Different things are not the same.

out of up votes but this, absolutely this ?

[clarkete]

Surely the debate should move on a bit now from whether they should or not?

[hfuhruhurr]

1 hour ago, priest17 said:

I don't think its quite the same as people wearing swastikas. Showing support for a government regime that committed genocide isn't the same as effectively a politically slanted 'out-there' marketing campaign. There's no actual talk of violence in the song. The video at the end clarifies killing tories in the ballot box by voting. I'm not gonna go out and buy one of these t-shirts and it's a bit misjudged but its not the same.

Plus its not kill all tories, just the scum ones!

My point, which I didn't articulate at all well wasn't equivalence on the killing thing, it was equivalence on the childish w*nkery which is a kill tory scum song/tee (post Jo Cox, so deliberately arse-like) and Sid with his swastika (which when he wore it, most of the older generation had first hand witness to that shit and so was pathetic too). There are far more hard hitting and wider reaching protest songs - and I think Killdren's contribution deserves the derision it gets.

Here's a jolly little ditty to brighten any day:

 

[Avalon_Fields]

I'm for the gentler kind of killing myself

 

[HalfAnIdiot]

31 minutes ago, Winslow Leach said:

I feel far more uncomfortable about The Cure potentially playing Killing an Arab, to be quite honest.

Killing an Arab isn't inciting anything, it has literary roots based on existencialism. That together with the whole imigary of The Cure should leave most people quite comfortable with the song and their performance at G.

Asside from that, bands IMHO shouldn't be censored or banned from playing unless they are breaking the law. 

We have reasonably good hate-crime laws for this purpose. 

Personally I'm more concerned about the continuing trial-by-media that is a deep rooted sickness in this country.

[DeanoL]

I remember seeing Beans On Toast play "I'm gonna kill David Cameron" at Glastonbury. He didn't though.

[Gacheezbo]

4 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

I remember seeing Beans On Toast play "I'm gonna kill David Cameron" at Glastonbury. He didn't though.

He actually felt bad about this, ditched the album recording and asked people to remove footage from YouTube

[Amy Lawn]

5 minutes ago, Gacheezbo said:

He actually felt bad about this, ditched the album recording and asked people to remove footage from YouTube

Probably got a knock on the door from the filth tbh

[Gacheezbo]

7 minutes ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said:

Probably got a knock on the door from the filth tbh

haha wouldn't be surprised but that's not the impression I got, wrote up the interview for my old uni paper but will take some digging to find it

[Mark E. Spliff]

In discussions about free speech, context is absolutely everything.  The context here is that a very small, very tongue-in-cheek, rock band are expressing their hatred of the tories in a comically over-the-top way.  It does not amount to a call-to-arms and no serious person would ever believe it did.  If we insist on drawing comparisons with the Nazis, then the accurate comparison would be that these are a radical Jewish music hall act doing a mock hanging of Hitler in the 1930s.  Unfortunately, in this analogy, Glastonbury are the music hall that have bowed to 'Government' pressure and cancelled them.

[Penrhos]

Glastonbury is and hopefully always will be a political/socially aware festival. 

If people disagree with a bands politics/lyrics then watch something else instead - no audience is a better solution to a band with distasteful lyrics/sentiments than dropping them from the lineup.

This just smacks of knee-jerk political correctness - should have kept them in and made a statement that the festival don't agree with their sentiments but they're artists and the audience would be the judge.

Not that I'd have gone to see them anyway....

 

[Winslow Leach]

27 minutes ago, HalfAnIdiot said:

Killing an Arab isn't inciting anything, it has literary roots based on existencialism. That together with the whole imigary of The Cure should leave most people quite comfortable with the song and their performance at G.

I'd say that given The Cure will be playing to a significant number of people who know a handful of their songs at most, and don't have an in-depth knowledge of the work of Albert Camus, leaving it off the setlist would probably be a wise choice.