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Well I would not underestimate the wish for international travel and tourism to flourish again, governments will push back due to safety, though the business world pressure for normalising things will be large. So I do not think it is far fetched to believe in a standard this calendar year, just like the yellow fever certificate. I personally do think this might have a bearing for the fest in 2021, this august is more or less out of reach anyway imho

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My mood in: April - I'm still happy now there's no Mordor, could feel more like the old days May - no Auditori this year as it's indoor, bummer but inevitable  June - confirmation that

Yes, you did. Three times. 

i think we're all forgetting something important - namely, which baffling, long-winded and quite possibly excruciating method will the PS team use to announce the line up this year? I'm hoping fo

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47 minutes ago, puckno said:

Well I would not underestimate the wish for international travel and tourism to flourish again, governments will push back due to safety, though the business world pressure for normalising things will be large. So I do not think it is far fetched to believe in a standard this calendar year, just like the yellow fever certificate. I personally do think this might have a bearing for the fest in 2021, this august is more or less out of reach anyway imho

I totally agree it could have a bearing for next year. 

What we are seeing at the moment is a lack of global coordination. The opposite in fact, with countries acting purely in their own interests.

The pressure to get people on planes back in proper numbers again will be great but getting a certificate that is globally accepted based on a universally accepted test, that is going to take a lot of time. This year? I can't see it.

Plus at the rate the UK for example is testing, everybody that wants a test in August won't even be able to get one. The capacity looks like it will be able to handle low single digit millions.

Just speculating but perhaps they will use weak proxy measures at the airport initially like checking temperatures, using thermal scanners, getting people to have a doctor's note that they are in good health, making people wear masks or asking people to self-quarantine the other side.

The airlines can't be mostly grounded all year or it become too expensive for government. The other problem governments face is that airlines make most of their money from transatlantic routes so there will be pressure to open up more of these routes (which conversely you could see as a positive for the festival...)

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More people died in the U.K. in their latest figures than in Spain’s latest numbers. And their infection rate has risen the lowest since the start of the crisis.

Spain is getting a handle on this and the U.K. has spectacularly failed to learn from the lessons of Spain and Italy. I’d be more hopeful of any mass gatherings happening in Spain in August/September than in the U.K. 

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1 hour ago, xxialac said:

More people died in the U.K. in their latest figures than in Spain’s latest numbers. And their infection rate has risen the lowest since the start of the crisis.

Spain is getting a handle on this and the U.K. has spectacularly failed to learn from the lessons of Spain and Italy. I’d be more hopeful of any mass gatherings happening in Spain in August/September than in the U.K. 

Did you hear Spanish 1st minister yesterday speech? I wouldn’t be so optimistic...

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6 minutes ago, johnybegood said:

Did you hear Spanish 1st minister yesterday speech? I wouldn’t be so optimistic...

I didn't. I'm not too optimistic on the situation in general. I was more being concerned about the UK. I'm quite impressed by the Spanish response.

Did the minister say anything had got worse or anything about mass gatherings in the future? Because the numbers, as awful as they, seem as relatively good as can have been hoped for in the recent fortnight and represent a turning of the corner.

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Didn't hear the Spanish first minister either, but the UK response has been utterly shambolic, one of the worst in Europe, after Italy, although Italy were slow as fuck when they got hit hard, whereas the UK were slow as shit with advance warning, before anything took hold.

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9 hours ago, ghostdancer1 said:

Didn't hear the Spanish first minister either, but the UK response has been utterly shambolic, one of the worst in Europe, after Italy, although Italy were slow as fuck when they got hit hard, whereas the UK were slow as shit with advance warning, before anything took hold.

"Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Tuesday that coronavirus would not stop him greeting people with a handshake, adding that he had shaken the hands of everyone at a hospital where infected patients were being treated."

So weird to think this was barely a month ago. He almost looked proud of himself 😧

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11 minutes ago, TomViolence said:

"Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Tuesday that coronavirus would not stop him greeting people with a handshake, adding that he had shaken the hands of everyone at a hospital where infected patients were being treated."

So weird to think this was barely a month ago. He almost looked proud of himself 😧

He had been fully briefed at that point that this was a contagious disease that was likely to infect millions in the UK.

And yet his choice was to boast of shaking hands with coronavirus patients, not observe the social distancing rules when he made the lockdown announcement, make a 'joke' about Operation Last Gasp (a joke about people dying and unable to breathe?), use the phrase 'take it on the chin' in relation to a fatal disease, not criticise his father for saying go to the pub after the lockdown....

Whilst I don't wish him harm, his recklessness doesn't look too clever now.

His poor leadership will have cost actual lives, while he is likely to make a full recovery.

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1 minute ago, xxialac said:

He had been fully briefed at that point that this was a contagious disease that was likely to infect millions in the UK.

And yet his choice was to boast of shaking hands with coronavirus patients, not observe the social distancing rules when he made the lockdown announcement, make a 'joke' about Operating Last Gasp (a joke about people dying and unable to breathe?), use the phrase 'take it on the chin' in relation to a fatal disease, not criticise his father for saying go to the pub after the lockdown....

Whilst I don't wish him harm, his recklessness doesn't look too clever now.

His poor leadership will have cost actual lives, while he is likely to make a full recovery.

He's a fucking idiot. That said I hope he recovers. 

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So Porto moved to the 3-5 September (the dates I wish Barcelona would have been moved to.!)

Much more likely to go ahead given the much lower cases in Portugal, but does one go ahead without the other? 

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3 minutes ago, DDave said:

So Porto moved to the 3-5 September (the dates I wish Barcelona would have been moved to.!)

Much more likely to go ahead given the much lower cases in Portugal, but does one go ahead without the other? 

I would assume definitely no.  Either Europe is generally allowing international travel and bands have decided is is safe for them and their crew or bands simply won't tour.

As has been said on here, the last thing that will be lifted in all this is mass gatherings. 

Definitely mass gatherings won't be allowed in August AND all through the winter.

My last - probably overoptimistic - hope is that this strictest level of ban is lifted for the start of the sports season in August on the understanding that it will be put back in place again when hospital admissions rise again above a number. It's possible they will go for this turn-on/turn-off approach.

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Someone on the O/S has suggested someone like Pulp might reform for this to make up for the inevitable loss of big American bands.

Makes perfect sense. He’s a friend of the festival. They already know the songs inside out. Would give ticket sales the boost they will need. 

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1 hour ago, xxialac said:

Someone on the O/S has suggested someone like Pulp might reform for this to make up for the inevitable loss of big American bands.

Makes perfect sense. He’s a friend of the festival. They already know the songs inside out. Would give ticket sales the boost they will need. 

I'd be pretty surprised if Pulp reformed considering Jarvis is just now ramping up his new project with an album and tour, especially for a last minute replacement for American acts having to pull out. IF all the American acts pull out, I think we're far more likely to just end up with a severely lacklustre lineup with smaller acts filling in for headliners etc rather than them pulling something incredible out of the bag, or, y'know, the festival just doesn't happen...

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22 minutes ago, FloorFiller said:

I'd be pretty surprised if Pulp reformed considering Jarvis is just now ramping up his new project with an album and tour, especially for a last minute replacement for American acts having to pull out. IF all the American acts pull out, I think we're far more likely to just end up with a severely lacklustre lineup with smaller acts filling in for headliners etc rather than them pulling something incredible out of the bag, or, y'know, the festival just doesn't happen...

Yeah, that's very true, hadn't considered that.

My prediction is - IF it goes ahead - that we have a lacklustre lineup as you say (albeit smaller bands aren't necessarily worse) packed with European acts BUT that they find someone new to replace The Strokes/LDR/The National/Tyler who is a big draw and can help them promote it. Pulp, PJ Harvey, MBV etc.

Also surely they will be beating a path to Thom Yorke's door.

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52 minutes ago, xxialac said:

Yeah, that's very true, hadn't considered that.

My prediction is - IF it goes ahead - that we have a lacklustre lineup as you say (albeit smaller bands aren't necessarily worse) packed with European acts BUT that they find someone new to replace The Strokes/LDR/The National/Tyler who is a big draw and can help them promote it. Pulp, PJ Harvey, MBV etc.

Also surely they will be beating a path to Thom Yorke's door.

I’ll be there if it happens - literally would go to the opening of an envelope at the moment 

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4 hours ago, DDave said:

So Porto moved to the 3-5 September (the dates I wish Barcelona would have been moved to.!)

Much more likely to go ahead given the much lower cases in Portugal, but does one go ahead without the other? 

Portugal's current status is one that allows cautious optimism. I'm quite surprised as to how things are right now. I've no basis other than speculation to compare two different countries like Portugal and Spain, but it seems that less chaotic times aren't that distant from us (speaking as a portuguese here)

EDIT: as for the festival itself - I just want to see Pavement at this point, tbh.

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"The Austrian Chancellor, Sebastian Kurz, has said the country is planning to let smaller shops reopen next week, with the aim of reopening all shops and malls from 1 May. From then onwards, hotels and restaurants will open step-by-step from mid-May at the earliest"

Earlier than expected and a fragment of hope?

 

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11 hours ago, xxialac said:

Brockhampton have moved their tour back by a year (yes, a year).

Bad news - out this year 

Good news - perfect gap in their tour to play Primavera on May 27, 2021.

That's unfortunate...I wonder if they are replacing them with Run The Jewels. Moreover, could they aim at getting RATM? The latter don't really fit imo but both free on the 27th

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32 minutes ago, whos3000 said:

That's unfortunate...I wonder if they are replacing them with Run The Jewels. Moreover, could they aim at getting RATM? The latter don't really fit imo but both free on the 27th

If they’ve got any common sense, they will be looking to European bands for all replacements.

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