fartnugget Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Guy Incognito said: I think this approach is problematic. Suggesting an all male band is new normal friendly due to incorporating a female guest vocalist, is like saying that a steak meal is vegetarian because it comes with a Brussel sprout. How is it like that? Liz is on the album and part of how all those shows were announced. It's more like saying a steak with a side of brussel sprouts doesn't count as eating veggies because you're still also eating steak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
young_contra Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Just now, fartnugget said: How is it like that? Liz is on the album and part of how all those shows were announced. It's more like saying a steak with a side of brussel sprouts doesn't count as eating veggies because you're still also eating steak. She's still considered a guest, not an artist on her own for booking and lineup purposes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fartnugget Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, young_contra said: She's still considered a guest, not an artist on her own for booking and lineup purposes "Massive Attack with Elizabeth Fraser" is still a prominent female name at the top of the lineup, whether you people consider her a "real" act or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxialac Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, fartnugget said: "Massive Attack with Elizabeth Fraser" is still a prominent female name at the top of the lineup, whether you people consider her a "real" act or not. I think she sung on about a paltry 3 or max 4 songs on the last tour and wouldn't feature on the poster anyway. Smacks of tokenism - worse than not having a woman at all to try and trick people in this way. Edited January 15, 2020 by xxialac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fartnugget Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Legendary musician singing on legendary songs she recorded doesn’t sound like tricking people to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloorFiller Posted January 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Can’t wait for ‘Pavement featuring the gal from Chvrches on two songs’ or ‘Godspeed You! Black Emperor with one of the Haims on triangle’ to fill the female quota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxialac Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, fartnugget said: Legendary musician singing on legendary songs she recorded doesn’t sound like tricking people to me. 100% of the original members are men, 100% of the current members are men and 17% of the set is sung by a female guest vocalist who also recorded the original songs. To call that a female act is gender wash. https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/massive-attack/2019/radio-city-music-hall-new-york-ny-6b9c26ee.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogozsz Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Off-topic but I'd be over the moon if Primavera gets Moses Sumney, Blood Orange and serpentwithfeet this year! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
umibozu Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, xxialac said: Last year they had 9 top line, 13 second line 2020: Top: Frank Ocean, LDR, Bad Bunny, The National performs HV, Massive Attack, Disclosure, Thom Yorke, Tyler TC, Kacey Musgraves Second: Beck, Pavement, Damon Albarn, Max Richter, Chromatics, Yo La Tengo, Brockhampton, Caribou, King Gizzard, Flaming Lips, Devo, Megan Thee Stallion, Kim Gordon Something like that? I'm starting to doubt Thom, though, after the Waste HQ message yesterday. Probably replaced with a rapper or pop act with a younger appeal... Pavement are definitely Top Line Edited January 15, 2020 by umibozu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csence Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, diogozsz said: Off-topic but I'd be over the moon if Primavera gets Moses Sumney, Blood Orange and serpentwithfeet this year! bring me slint + the wrens and i'd be satisfied with 3 gigs (incl. pavement) for the whole fest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puckno Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 IF Massive Attack is to play at Primavera we do not even know if Liz Fraser will participate. The few Massive Attack gigs announced for 2020 are not branded as Mezzanine w/ Liz Fraser shows, but as more generic discography walk through shows, she is not even mentioned on respective announcement web pages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxialac Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, puckno said: IF Massive Attack is to play at Primavera we do not even know if Liz Fraser will participate. The few Massive Attack gigs announced for 2020 are not branded as Mezzanine w/ Liz Fraser shows, but as more generic discography walk through shows, she is not even mentioned on respective announcement web pages. She's probably a bit fed up of being the sprout to their steak. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmyli Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 I like the food thoughts. Now I'm hungry for a steak. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipan Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Gnarler said: As far as I'm aware no but I know very little. Just a few names here and there Is one of those names Metronomy by any chance? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nesser Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 I'm gonna say Massive Attack and Beck won't be here. I have zero info but it just doesn't feel right. Way too many men on the 9 big names and way too little room for surprises as Erykah Badu. Also, Gabi debunking that Frank was touring with a final spot at Coachella doesn't seem to be the best way to stay in good terms with an artists that is playing your fest a couple of months later. I'm absolutely sure he tried to catch him -hence the info of the tour- but somehow Frank didn't want to/they backed out, therefore Gabi being somewhat free to talk about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orens Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, pipan said: Is one of those names Metronomy by any chance? +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarler Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, pipan said: Is one of those names Metronomy by any chance? Sadly not my friend. They're playing a show here in BCN next month so I doubt it but you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxialac Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 I hear you @Nesser but at the same time it's pretty clear that they have a name who will seriously shift tickets - a deep undercard won't be as effective in this regard - so if not Frank Ocean, then who???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orens Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Gnarler said: Sadly not my friend. They're playing a show here in BCN next month so I doubt it but you never know. Almost sold out at this point and touring around PS, plus really like the fest. I guess they could always pop up as a surprise, they really like the fest (but perhaps I'm being too hopeful at this point). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MogwaiYT Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Buckle up. Here we go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diogozsz Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noeliam Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 I'm not even going but I'm excited! Woohoooo!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarler Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 Tomorrooowwwwwwwww 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxialac Posted January 15, 2020 Report Share Posted January 15, 2020 WHAT???! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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