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1 minute ago, Kizzie said:

I think everyone has got a little hung up on The Sisterhood being a space where women can be free of physical attack, and while it is that it also something much more.  It's by and large a creative space run by women for women where they can feel and behave with a large amount of freedom.  Freedom to act, dance, shout, sit, stand, breastfeed and be how they feel.  It's about being free, if only for a couple of hours from male scrutiny, 'the male gaze, if you will.  Freedom from having to be and look attractive, sexy, demure, circumspect, be someone's partner, mother etc. call it what you will.

It's a place to celebrate being a woman (whatever that means personally) without ridicule, argument, comment. 

Oh, the irony of some of the comments on here. :lol:

And before anyone asks, the male space for this is the fucking world!

I'm reminded about when Jo Brand explained the low level side of things to Ian Hislop:

 

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1 hour ago, H.M.V said:

Getting real sick and tired of this circular argument popping its head up every couple of weeks and men telling us what should be happening instead of what they are doing to make a difference. Yes, we get it, not all men. But for fucks sake, women still get leered at, groped, raped etc. So when was the last time you called some shitty dude out for his behaviour. We all know it shouldn't happen but while it still common place, please do us a favour and stop telling us where and how we should feel safe. 

 

Sing it sister (again). Out of upvotes (again). This argument or some variation of it does seem to come round every two weeks now...

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53 minutes ago, barkley87 said:

It's funny how it's mostly (only) men that are against a safe space for women at the festival. The women themselves all seem to be quite happy with it. Says a lot. 

I'm a woman who's doesn't like idea of "safe spaces for women" - its a blunt hammer to treat a complex problem which only creates more division. I feel that the "fear" is actually being made worse by by things like this not better. 

The whole festival should basically be safe - for everyone - people should be empowered not feel like they have to be penned off because of fear, especially not somewhere like Glastonbury which is renowned for it's friendly atmosphere. That's just my opinion.

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7 minutes ago, Kizzie said:

I think everyone has got a little hung up on The Sisterhood being a space where women can be free of physical attack, and while it is that it also something much more.  It's by and large a creative space run by women for women where they can feel and behave with a large amount of freedom.  Freedom to act, dance, shout, sit, stand, breastfeed and be how they feel.  It's about being free, if only for a couple of hours from male scrutiny, 'the male gaze, if you will.  Freedom from having to be and look attractive, sexy, demure, circumspect, be someone's partner, mother etc. call it what you will.

It's a place to celebrate being a woman (whatever that means personally) without ridicule, argument, comment. 

Oh, the irony of some of the comments on here. :lol:

And before anyone asks, the male space for this is the fucking world!

Buying you a drink at the efests meet cos I'm out of upvotes. x

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1 minute ago, H.M.V said:

Buying you a drink at the efests meet cos I'm out of upvotes. x

Amen to that Sister 😘

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3 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Sing it sister (again). Out of upvotes (again). This argument or some variation of it does seem to come round every two weeks now...

Mad isn't it, the women who agree but men telling us its sexist (not all men). Fucking beggars belief but the temper tantrums speak volumes on why we still need somewhere to feel safe. 

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I understand that this is a really important and emotive topic, but is there any way we can get back to discussing the music in here? 

I don't want to ignore the subject but I really want to talk about the lineup, and the theme  Etc. but at the moment that will just get lost. And tbh I think people are probably avoiding the thread. 

Maybe we need a separate thread to discuss The Sisterhood and it's merits? 

If you feel like I'm shunning the issue then please let me know and I'm happy to edit out my post. 

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10 minutes ago, bluedaisy said:

I'm a woman who's doesn't like idea of "safe spaces for women" - its a blunt hammer to treat a complex problem which only creates more division. I feel that the "fear" is actually being made worse by by things like this not better. 

The whole festival should basically be safe - for everyone - people should be empowered not feel like they have to be penned off because of fear, especially not somewhere like Glastonbury which is renowned for it's friendly atmosphere. That's just my opinion.

Wow. It's ALMOST as if gender isn't the only issue at play here and sometimes people can hold an opinion independent of other people who looksl the same as them

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12 minutes ago, bluedaisy said:

I'm a woman who's doesn't like idea of "safe spaces for women" - its a blunt hammer to treat a complex problem which only creates more division. I feel that the "fear" is actually being made worse by by things like this not better. 

The whole festival should basically be safe - for everyone - people should be empowered not feel like they have to be penned off because of fear, especially not somewhere like Glastonbury which is renowned for it's friendly atmosphere. That's just my opinion.

Just as a matter of interest do you cringe when you see people saying things like "your sisters stand with you"? 

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9 minutes ago, zeppelin said:

I understand that this is a really important and emotive topic, but is there any way we can get back to discussing the music in here? 

I don't want to ignore the subject but I really want to talk about the lineup, and the theme  Etc. but at the moment that will just get lost. And tbh I think people are probably avoiding the thread. 

Maybe we need a separate thread to discuss The Sisterhood and it's merits? 

If you feel like I'm shunning the issue then please let me know and I'm happy to edit out my post. 

Yes please but might I add that it was a man throwing toys out of the pram at the prospect that a tiny venue had the audacity to exclude them. Was here to learn about the new areas and recommendations for music. :D 

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Just now, gherkin8r said:

Just as a matter of interest do you cringe when you see people saying things like "your sisters stand with you"? 

No, but I certainly do whenever I read any of your posts. 

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I find it sad that people feel the need for a woman only venue at Glastonbury and I don't feel it should be there but that's not because I think it's sexist or anything but because we live in a such a shit state of a country that even in a place like Glastonbury there's enough people that don't feel safe while trying to enjoy entertainment.

We should have a festival without any segregation, no matter how small the venue is but if even 1 person needs a safe space then so be it and I am supportive of it.

The problem is considering its in an area where people are at their most mashed and when people are mashed tends to be when they use that as an excuse to act out of order how are people that feel unsafe get the benefit from the venue? If I was worried about getting abused I don't think a wander down the south east corner in the early hours would be appealing and that makes the whole sad state of affairs so sad.

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2 minutes ago, H.M.V said:

No, but I certainly do whenever I read any of your posts. 

You don't cringe when you see a woman professing to speak for the whole gender as if women weren't all capable of independent thinking? 

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1 minute ago, gherkin8r said:

You don't cringe when you see a woman professing to speak for the whole gender as if women weren't all capable of independent thinking? 

Actually no you have already assumed the role of spokesperson earlier in the thread haven't you? 

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10 minutes ago, gherkin8r said:

Just as a matter of interest do you cringe when you see people saying things like "your sisters stand with you"? 

I completely understand why these women feel the way they do. I'm pretty sure most of them have experienced various threatening or unpleasant incidents over the years,  as have I and every woman I know. Having said that, I was pointing that there are women with different opinions to them on this particular issue. 

"do you cringe when you see people saying things like "your sisters stand with you"? " I don't cringe but I do find it unnecessarily divisive in this context. Just my opinion - I'm not trying to offend anyone.

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Dating from its hippy origins I think there's a general misunderstanding about the ethos that underpins the festival that's pretty common on these boards. It's not a cult of the individual free-for-all where there are no restrictions or rules.  Rather it's got a focus on solidarity and consensus.  Eavis is a leftie, not a libertarian.

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23 minutes ago, gherkin8r said:

Just as a matter of interest do you cringe when you see people saying things like "your sisters stand with you"? 

We are sisters, united in our experiences of meeting trolls like you on a daily basis. I don’t feel remotely shamed by you. In trying to embarrass me and other women on this thread, you are showing yourself up.

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19 minutes ago, bluedaisy said:

 

I completely understand why these women feel the way they do. I'm pretty sure most of them have experienced various threatening or unpleasant incidents over the years,  as have I and every woman I know. Having said that, I was pointing that there are women with different opinions to them on this particular issue. 

"do you cringe when you see people saying things like "your sisters stand with you"? " I don't cringe but I do find it unnecessarily divisive in this context. Just my opinion - I'm not trying to offend anyone.

So we have established that by excluding people from this safe zone based on gender you would be excluding some males who supports such an endeavour and including some women who are against the idea. If that's not an argument against the premise I don't know what is. 

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18 minutes ago, bluedaisy said:

 

I completely understand why these women feel the way they do. I'm pretty sure most of them have experienced various threatening or unpleasant incidents over the years,  as have I and every woman I know. Having said that, I was pointing that there are women with different opinions to them on this particular issue. 

"do you cringe when you see people saying things like "your sisters stand with you"? " I don't cringe but I do find it unnecessarily divisive in this context. Just my opinion - I'm not trying to offend anyone.

Okay, your sister (singular) stands with you. Happy not to speak for you

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3 minutes ago, gherkin8r said:

So we have established that by excluding people from this safe zone based on gender you would be excluding some males who supports such an endeavour and including some women who are against the idea. If that's not an argument against the premise I don't know what is. 

I support the idea and am also excluded from it. Yet I'll live.

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