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Just now, chatty said:

Im not mad or angry. Were having a discussion, aint that what the forum is for? 

You should probably ask the people resorting to name calking why they are getting angry and mad really, Im just sticking to the point and answering anything that people to respond to. Why would you think I was angry about it? Have I been aggressive towards anyone here? 

Just seems a weird hill to die on. Like you've made your point and you've every right to. You just want to keep on making it though, which suggests a level of anger or passion on this particular subject. Maybe you're just bored, though, I don't know.

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5 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

I'm actually not really sure what the beef is here.  Despite being at it's lowest cultural water-mark since it arrived and moribund as an artform, rock is still the dominant force on the line-up.  It's not the fault of the pop or the hip-hop fans that Hozier and Two Door Cinema Club are woeful.

My point is by branching every band as a "white guitar band" then you're basically saying they are all the same and there's no diversity there. However, a line up full of stadium rock, punk, metal, post rock and blues would be more diverse than just rnb and pop acts. 

Also if I didn't know any better, I'd say it's a thinly veiled dig at people who enjoy rock. 

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Just now, Chinaski_ said:

My point is by branching every band as a "white guitar band" then you're basically they are all the same and there's no diversity there. However, a line up full of stadium rock, punk, metal, post rock and blues would be more diverse than just rnb and pop acts. 

Also if I didn't know any better, I'd say it's a thinly veiled dig at people who enjoy rock. 

I thought it was a fairly clear dig at Hozier and TDCC? 

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1 minute ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Just seems a weird hill to die on. Like you've made your point and you've every right to. You just want to keep on making it though, which suggests a level of anger or passion on this particular subject. Maybe you're just bored, though, I don't know.

Well, Im just responding to people quoting me or referencing me. If they wanna keep the discussion up then ill go along with it whilst im free to chat. 

Not particularly passionate, Im not anti female line ups or pop or rnb, in fact when I promoted music I always had a massive amount of females play music at my gigs and some of those local bands Id far oreder to see on the line up as there was some great ones but Im not gonna just pretend I think its a good line up cause other people will get upset by it. 

I already said way back, the festival will be brillaint and ill have a great time, I cant wait to get there and theres probablys more acts to follow that I really like. 

But thats three months away and for now all we have to discuss is whats on this poster. 

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It's about the historical context. For better or for worse, white men with guitars have dominated festival line-ups since forever.  And, as we can see, attempts to broaden that out a little meet with resistance.

I fuck with rock music, but it's the rock bookings that are letting the side down on the poster.  I'd much rather it was AC/DC on there rather than The Killers.

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Just now, SomeoneListeningIn said:

I did, that's why I said 'non white male guitar acts'. You can have female guitar acts (e.g. Sharon Van Etten) and you can have black guitar acts (e.g. Michael Kiwanuka). That's diversity.

Not if you want to exclude white people just for being white. 

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6 minutes ago, SomeoneListeningIn said:

I did, that's why I said 'non white male guitar acts'. You can have female guitar acts (e.g. Sharon Van Etten) and you can have black guitar acts (e.g. Michael Kiwanuka). That's diversity.

And The Cure are a goth band and Idles are hardcore. That's diversity. But hang on, I thought you weren't talking about race? 

Personally I prefer the term "guitar act". 

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3 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

It's about the historical context. For better or for worse, white men with guitars have dominated festival line-ups since forever.  And, as we can see, attempts to broaden that out a little meet with resistance.

I fuck with rock music, but it's the rock bookings that are letting the side down on the poster.  I'd much rather it was AC/DC on there rather than The Killers.

Because festivals were predominantly dominated by rock bands. I don't see anyone moaning about Creamfields or Wireless having much diversity though. 

But I completely agree with your second point. As I said, it's too MOR so far. 

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15 minutes ago, Chinaski_ said:

Also if I didn't know any better, I'd say it's a thinly veiled dig at people who enjoy rock. 

For the record, I have no problem with people who enjoy rock. My favourite band is Radiohead. Growing up I almost exclusively listened to Red Hot Chili Peppers, and they still hold a special place in my heart. One of my favourite albums last year was Joy as an Act of Resistance.

What I don't get is why people are taking the lack of their preferred genre on the poster (punk, metal, alternative rock etc etc) out on a more diverse lineup in other genres (pop, R&B etc) rather than having issue with the boring male guitar acts like George Ezra and Hozier.

7 minutes ago, Chinaski_ said:

And The Cure are a goth band and Isles are hardcore. That's diversity. But hang on, I thought you weren't talking about race? 

Again, you're backing up my point of why it's weird to group Miley, Kylie and Janet together. And ya know that diversity can also mean diversity of ethnicity and gender, not just genre.

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6 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

It's about the historical context. For better or for worse, white men with guitars have dominated festival line-ups since forever.  And, as we can see, attempts to broaden that out a little meet with resistance.

I fuck with rock music, but it's the rock bookings that are letting the side down on the poster.  I'd much rather it was AC/DC on there rather than The Killers.

Yup. It's also not the fault of the pop/r n b etc. acts on the lineup that rock music is producing lower quality of music right now. The best part of the poster is easily the non-rock stuff. It feels fresh and exciting. If you have an issue with the poster it's not the lack of rock music, it's the poor quality of it. And when you look at who's touring this year, that's as much the genres fault as it is that of the festival.

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2 minutes ago, Chinaski_ said:

Because festivals were predominantly dominated by rock bands. I don't see anyone moaning about Creamfields or Wireless having much diversity though. 

Glastonbury isn't specifically a rock festival though...it's a festival of performing arts and times change, so the festival either evolves with them or becomes a museum piece.  And it's never really stood still up to this point.  On the whole the kids arent buying much in the way of rock music in this day and age, so I'd only expect the line-up to reflect that.

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8 minutes ago, SomeoneListeningIn said:

For the record, I have no problem with people who enjoy rock. My favourite band is Radiohead. Growing up I almost exclusively listened to Red Hot Chili Peppers, and they still hold a special place in my heart. One of my favourite albums last year was Joy as an Act of Resistance.

What I don't get is why people are taking the lack of their preferred genre on the poster (punk, metal, alternative rock etc etc) out on a more diverse lineup in other genres (pop, R&B etc) rather than having issue with the boring male guitar acts like George Ezra and Hozier.

Again, you're backing up my point of why it's weird to group Miley, Kylie and Janet together. And ya know that diversity can also mean diversity of ethnicity and gender, not just genre.

But George Ezra and Hosier are not rock, they're pop acts. There's little rock so far on the line up. 

When I'm talking about diversity on a line up, I mean genres not race, sex, religion etc. After all the music is most important. 

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Just now, CaledonianGonzo said:

Glastonbury isn't specifically a rock festival though...it's a festival of performing arts and times change, so the festival either evolves with them or becomes a museum piece.  And it's never really stood still up to this point.  On the whole the kids arent buying much in the way of rock music in this day and age, so I'd only expect the line-up to reflect that.

I know Glastonbury isn't, it's more traditional rock festivals like Reading for example that have to bring in more pop, rap, dance etc for diversity, but Creamfields is fine to remain just dance. 

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4 minutes ago, Chinaski_ said:

I know Glastonbury isn't, it's more traditional rock festivals like Reading for example that have to bring in more pop, rap, dance etc for diversity, but Creamfields is fine to remain just dance. 

Creamfields is a more specialist festival - and a lesser one.

Hozier's grizzled troubadour schtick is none-more-rawk, by-the-by. He's a walking Q Magazine.

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1 minute ago, jparx said:

Yup. It's also not the fault of the pop/r n b etc. acts on the lineup that rock music is producing lower quality of music right now. The best part of the poster is easily the non-rock stuff. It feels fresh and exciting. If you have an issue with the poster it's not the lack of rock music, it's the poor quality of it. And when you look at who's touring this year, that's as much the genres fault as it is that of the festival.

Or the poor booking off it. Not like there isnt a host of rock based acts that arent run of the mill kicking about. 

I mean across other festivals or generally kicking about you have Smashing Pumpkings, Bloc Party, Manics, Ocean Colour Scene, Young Fathers, Sleater - Kinney, Oh Sees, James, Hinds, Haim, Swan, Parquet Courts, Deerhunter, GVF, Rival Sons, Drenge, Courtney Barnett... I could go on for ages tbh. 

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2 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Creamfields is a more specialist festival - and a lesser one.

Hozier's grizzled troubadour schtick is none-more-rawk, by-the-by. He's a walking Q Magazine.

Well if he's what passes for "rock" these days no wonder it's dying. 

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34 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

I'm actually not really sure what the beef is here.  Despite being at it's lowest cultural water-mark since it arrived and moribund as an artform, rock is still the dominant force on the line-up.  It's not the fault of the pop or the hip-hop fans that Hozier and Two Door Cinema Club are woeful.

This should be the thread tbh.

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14 minutes ago, jparx said:

Yup. It's also not the fault of the pop/r n b etc. acts on the lineup that rock music is producing lower quality of music right now. The best part of the poster is easily the non-rock stuff. It feels fresh and exciting. If you have an issue with the poster it's not the lack of rock music, it's the poor quality of it. And when you look at who's touring this year, that's as much the genres fault as it is that of the festival.

Again I never said kick all the rnb and pop off the line up and just have rock. My issue is saying all rock bands are exactly the same and there's no diversity within the genre. The better bands will be announced later, I'm just disappointed there isn't a bigger name for the more alternative audience so far, like a Beck, Pixies, SP in recent years for example. 

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3 minutes ago, chatty said:

Or the poor booking off it. Not like there isnt a host of rock based acts that arent run of the mill kicking about. 

I mean across other festivals or generally kicking about you have Smashing Pumpkings, Bloc Party, Manics, Ocean Colour Scene, Young Fathers, Sleater - Kinney, Oh Sees, James, Hinds, Haim, Swan, Parquet Courts, Deerhunter, GVF, Rival Sons, Drenge, Courtney Barnett... I could go on for ages tbh. 

A - some of those could well be booked anyway

B - how many have played the festival in the last, say, 3 editions? They can't keep booking the same stuff year after year. Haim literally played the last festival. 

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