yosoyyoberdi Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) The issue is that instead of booking great female artist that are around (Lana Del Rey, Ariana Grande, Gaga...) they have booked crappy ones to fill the ratio. Edited March 18, 2019 by yosoyyoberdi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett_Salas Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 You not liking an artist or genre doesn't mean tokenism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 The only person on the line-up that's not there due to their own achievements is Liam Gallagher. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 Though the mad scientist that built Brandon Flowers should also get some credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FakeEmpire Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 It's all subjective, isn't it? I think Lady GaGa is terrible. My gf is a big fan and so I saw her last year on the Joanne tour and I just don't get it. There's no denying that she is a very good singer but everything she does feels so forced and insincere. She's got one foot in cheesy pop and the other in trying to be a serious singer-songwriter (complete with hat and piano) without ever fully committing to either. However, there are so many people that would say she's one of the greatest on the planet and it would be ridiculous of me to label her booking as "crappy" or "tokenistic" simply because I don't like what she does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xeph1995 Posted March 18, 2019 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) Obviously for some people this line up is amazing and that is completely fair. I think this year the festival is lacking quite a few bands in the pot of who they can book, if you look at other festivals in the same vein as Glastonbury around Europe it's not looking like the strongest year for my tastes anyway. Still gunna be a class weekend regardless so. Edited March 18, 2019 by Xeph1995 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 19 minutes ago, yosoyyoberdi said: The issue is that instead of booking great female artist that are around (Lana Del Rey, Ariana Grande, Gaga...) they have booked crappy ones to fill the ratio. LDR - Latitude exclusive Grande - Touring in America Gaga - Seemingly not touring beyond her Vegas show THE FESTIVAL CAN ONLY BOOK WHO IS AVAILABLE!! Why are people struggling with this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett_Salas Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Xeph1995 said: Obviously for some people this line up is amazing and that is completely fair. I think this year the festival is lacking quite a few bands in the pot of who they can book, if you look at other festivals in the same vein as Glastonbury around Europe it's not looking like the strongest year for my tastes anyway. Still gunna be a class weekend regardless so. Agreed - People are allowed to think a line-up isn't great and even to say it's the worst line-up in a long time. Personally, I'm a bit dissapointed and it doesn't fit my tastes as much as recent years. Just let's not go down the route of "There's too many women clogging up the live-up" argument. Fingers crossed for a few more guitar bands in the full listing. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfaragher Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, yosoyyoberdi said: The issue is that instead of booking great female artist that are around (Lana Del Rey, Ariana Grande, Gaga...) they have booked crappy ones to fill the ratio. I'd rather see Janelle Monae, Lizzo and Little Simz (never mind Lauryn Hill, Cat Power, Christine ATQ, Kate Tempest) than any of them. Tastes differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernintendo Chalmers Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 Which one is the token female? The five-time Grammy award winning Lauryn Hill? The 100 million record selling, five-time Grammy award winning, Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame inductee Janet Jackson? The 50 million album selling, 9 Grammy award winning Sheryl Crow? I could go on... Taste is subjective, every single woman in Friday's announcement is more than worthy of every slot they occupy. Why are we not taking the same tokenism stance towards any of the male acts announced? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keithy Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, yosoyyoberdi said: The issue is that instead of booking great female artist that are around (Lana Del Rey, Ariana Grande, Gaga...) they have booked crappy ones to fill the ratio. Lana Del Rey said no, Gaga is unavailable (either due to her residency contract, health or not wanting to tour) and Grande doesn't appear to do (m)any festivals. They've not booked crappy ones, they've booked ones you don't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Music Girl Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said: The only person on the line-up that's not there due to their own achievements is Liam Gallagher. 100% this. This thread is taking a bit of an unpleasant turn tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscore Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) Personally I believe in "tokenism" (or positive discrimination) as a short term measure in addressing and breaking the inequality in systems. (Whether it has been applied to the lineup I don't know) Edited March 18, 2019 by uscore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosoyyoberdi Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 11 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said: LDR - Latitude exclusive Grande - Touring in America Gaga - Seemingly not touring beyond her Vegas show THE FESTIVAL CAN ONLY BOOK WHO IS AVAILABLE!! Why are people struggling with this? Do you know how exclusives work at all? Touring in America? Really? Is that even an excuse? I don't know why some of you have to be constantly defending the festival, specially with poor excuses. It's like you got money in it or smt... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveTLizard Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said: This thread is taking a bit of an unpleasant turn tbh. Absolutely, how did all these grumpuses turn the "worst lineup in the last 10 years" thread into something so darn negative. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titters Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, yosoyyoberdi said: Do you know how exclusives work at all? I thought exclusives placed some kind of restriction on an act's appearances happening elsewhere - am I wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett_Salas Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 Say what you like but Glastonbury really missed a trick with not getting Aretha Franklin and Whitney Houston this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomViolence Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, uscore said: Personally I believe in "tokenism" (or positive discrimination) as a short term measure in addressing and breaking the inequality in systems. 100% Male music artists have had the privilege of fewer barriers to entry to the industry and repeated bookings at the higher end of festival lineups which leads to more exposure and results in a perception that they're somehow 'bigger' and 'better'. This won't change until there's a conscious action to book more female artists and to push them up lineup posters (like Primavera and Glastonbury for example seem to be doing). Tokenism can stay as far as I'm concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 10 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said: Which one is the token female? The five-time Grammy award winning Lauryn Hill? The 100 million record selling, five-time Grammy award winning, Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame inductee Janet Jackson? The 50 million album selling, 9 Grammy award winning Sheryl Crow? I could go on... Taste is subjective, every single woman in Friday's announcement is more than worthy of every slot they occupy. Why are we not taking the same tokenism stance towards any of the male acts announced? As said, I was only including Lauryn Hill because of her awful rep as a live act. JJ, I had no idea she had achieved so much. I thought she stuck out like a sore thumb on the line-up (I can literally name one song that she has ever done - Rhythm Nation - and I couldn't even tell you how it goes.). But if the majority are looking forward to her and are excited then that's fair enough, it's a great booking and I'm out step/wrong in that case. I'm off to buy a ticket Blood Red Shoes at the Thekla (they're touring, have a new album coming and don't seem to have played the fest for over 10 years!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yosoyyoberdi Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Titters said: I thought exclusives placed some kind of restriction on an act's appearances happening elsewhere - am I wrong? That's how they sell it, not how it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, TomViolence said: 100% Male music artists have had the privilege of fewer barriers to entry to the industry and repeated bookings at the higher end of festival lineups which leads to more exposure and results in a perception that they're somehow 'bigger' and 'better'. This won't change until there's a conscious action to book more female artists and to push them up lineup posters (like Primavera and Glastonbury for example seem to be doing). Tokenism can stay as far as I'm concerned. Primavera is kind of where Is started with all of this (their line-up is 50% female I believe). I saw the lineup and thought 'that doesn't look very good compared to previous years'. But as a fully paid up wooly liberal, that didn't sit well with me either (bar I decided not to buy a ticket). I haven't really figured out my opinion on this yet (evidently!) and it just occurred to me again when I saw names like Janet Jackson, which I personally, rightly or wrongly, thought looked anachronistic. Edited March 18, 2019 by Homer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett_Salas Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 Just now, yosoyyoberdi said: That's how they sell it, not how it works. As someone has said previously, in 99% of cases, exclusive means exclusive. There's wiggle room and the odd anomaly but they are the exception rather than the rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh69 Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 54 minutes ago, D-Low said: Have to agree with this aside from JJ and Laryn Hill. I went through the line up over the weekend listening to the names I’ve not heard of and they were mostly dire (not slaying the poster as there are some great names on there) and not just woman as well. Bcuc, little simz, stefflon Don, Rosalia, sons of kemet, lizzo, Jamaal Washington. Appreciate everyone has their own taste but sorry, not my cup of tea. Jamaal Washington? I don't know about him, but Kamasi Washington is certainly not "dire" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Music Girl Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, SteveTLizard said: Absolutely, how did all these grumpuses turn the "worst lineup in the last 10 years" thread into something so darn negative. ? Obviously it's the place to spout negative opinion (as I myself have done), but was referring more to the cries of tokenism etc. Edited March 18, 2019 by Zoo Music Girl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbadger Posted March 18, 2019 Report Share Posted March 18, 2019 15 minutes ago, yosoyyoberdi said: Touring in America? Really? Is that even an excuse? It is when she's playing dates from March through to mid July. She has a US date on the Saturday of Glastonbury. How the hell do you expect the festival to book her? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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