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Labour’s ‘traditional’ heartlands are voting for Farage these days anyway. Labour’s modern heartlands are the big university cities, if they lose them too they’re completely done.

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24 minutes ago, Rose-Colored Boy said:

Labour’s ‘traditional’ heartlands are voting for Farage these days anyway.

true. And if they're typical of brexit fruitcakes they don't hold any Labour values at all anyway.

 

24 minutes ago, Rose-Colored Boy said:

Labour’s modern heartlands are the big university cities, if they lose them too they’re completely done.

I think it's more likely than not that Labour are done anyway. The same people who worked so hard for Corbyn are mostly the same people who felt betrayed by the LibDems. Guess how they're feeling about Labour today? ;) 

Lots of people said it was likely that Corbyn would fuck the Labour Party forever, tho I think everyone was off-target for how exactly he might manage it. 

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In the 'general news' topic here there's a self-proclaimed socialist - yes, really - who spends all his time singing the wonders of Trump, and Brexit, and Fake Tommy 

This is his latest, and we wonder why brexiters reject the facts.... :lol: 

39 minutes ago, Lad said:

I think May finally and at long last getting the boot was as much to do with using MI6 and GCHQ to try and help Clinton and the Manchurian candidate to set Trump up as dismal failure in brexit.If failure if correct and not the plan from the off.May was and is criminal. See also the fanatically anti Trump ambassador who's just been binned.

It'll be interesting to see the connections come to light with May,British intelligence,Renzi and Italian intelligence.Salvi's already sacked 6 intelligence chiefs in Italy.I know it doesn't cover AS scare stories but dont worry youll soon have the new narrative to obsses over.It'll be a load of bollocks but you can obsses.

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41 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

true. And if they're typical of brexit fruitcakes they don't hold any Labour values at all anyway.

 

I think it's more likely than not that Labour are done anyway. The same people who worked so hard for Corbyn are mostly the same people who felt betrayed by the LibDems. Guess how they're feeling about Labour today? ;) 

Lots of people said it was likely that Corbyn would fuck the Labour Party forever, tho I think everyone was off-target for how exactly he might manage it. 

All of this is true, but the problem the Lib Dems had in 2015 was that there were liberal-ish Tory and Labour leaders for all the 2010 Lib Dem voters to flock to. They were squeezed out by ‘if you are happy for things to carry on how they are then you may as well just vote Tory’ on one side and ‘if you aren’t happy for things to carry on as they are but also don’t want too drastic a departure then vote Labour’ on the other.

This time, The Lib Dems have picked a damn Thatcherite as leader and the Greens are still rendered irrelevant by our hopeless electoral system, so compared to the mass abandonment of the Lib Dem’s four years ago there are limited options for 2017 Labour voters to switch to. If that stays the case, replacing Corbyn with a confident pro-European like Starmer or Jess Phillips might just about manage to save the party from oblivion.

The issue is that with Corbyn cultists now in total command of the Labour membership, it’s almost certain to be a braindead twat like Richard Burgon who replaces Grumpy Jeremy instead.

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52 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

In the 'general news' topic here there's a self-proclaimed socialist - yes, really - who spends all his time singing the wonders of Trump, and Brexit, and Fake Tommy 

This is his latest, and we wonder why brexiters reject the facts.... :lol: 

What the actual fuck is this stream of consciousness madness?

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1 minute ago, Quark said:

What the actual fuck is this stream of consciousness madness?

Yes, exactly. That's the mind of a brexiter. :lol: 

To be fair he's the most extreme i've seen, but plenty of the others hold some similar themes dear to them, they just haven't bought the full (tin foil) hat-full of them.

It's a mind that couldn't be placated by any policy. We shouldn't be trying.

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Just to say I left Labour and cut up my card as I could not handle been in a party where the leader was unable to have a strong view on Brexit when the party members clearly wanting him to support remain 

Since then I have joined the lib dems and in Sunderland I thought I would be a minority but we now have 4 lib dem councillors.

I've been to a few local events and I now can't see me going back to labour ever.

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So, here we are, there has been a "Boris Surge" and it seems like the Conservatives now have a 10 point lead over Labour. Most of that surge seems to be from men switching from Brexit and Lib Dems. Boris would most likely win a General Election tomorrow in FPTP, which is what we have. Women, sensibly, are still far more suspicious of Boris and Remain inclined.

Do you know any Boris supporters? I do. Well off, self employed, male, leavers, yes I know them. Self Interested, deluded frankly (IMHO),  certainly no Socialist tendencies whatsoever.

Still only a third of voters actually approve of Boris, but that will likely be enough for a working majority after an election. There is no way that the leadership in the the Labour Party will relinquish power now and there is no way that JC is going until he looses the coming election.

So here we are. Insane no-Deal Brexit looms.

Leavers harp on and on about Democracy, well there is no faint hint of a majority when it comes to No-deal in either Parliament or the Electorate. Yet here we are, they hold all the cards.

What can we do? March? Shout? Civil Disobedience? Let them fail and watch our country go to the dogs, then re-join in X years time? Nobody knows, nobody has an answer. We are utterly screwed. 

I never thought the World would come to this. Hope is fading.

This is like a faint memory now. Barack Obama while imperfect, was so, so much better than anything, anywhere that we have currently. I thought all that racist bullshit was over and gone, yet still it abides. This seems ludicrously light hearted in light of our current circumstances, it was so beautiful at the time. I wish we could roll back time.

"It's like the Red Wedding"

 

 

 

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Well summed up Bamber. We appear to be, in the wise words of Mr Jason Statham, "proper fucked" :(

 

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15 minutes ago, Quark said:

Well summed up Bamber. We appear to be, in the wise words of Mr Jason Statham, "proper fucked" :(

 

Aye. While I loved @bamber's post, it also made me feel sick. 

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5 minutes ago, Sasperella said:

Great....

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/08/eu-may-offer-to-extend-deadline-for-brexit-deal-to-summer

I'm not sure what's worse. "Brexit at Glasto" or "Brexit while I'm still hanging out of my arse trying not to vomit and welling up over Fleetwood Mac on iPlayer".

 

Summer will come around and it will get extended again and will keep getting extended until someone actually has the balls to cancel the thing. 
 

Brexit is a fantasy. Its a nice idea for some but it’s unworkable. Especially when it comes to the Irish border.  
 

I just want to see how much support Boris retains when the ATAD kicks in on 1/1/2020. 

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I worry about the effects of Brexit and the simple fact that so many voted for it on the misguided assumption that it was all about immigration. Let's be honest how many leave voters knew about single market or customs unions etc?  But they all knew the lies that Farage spouted.   

I also have another fear, Brexit has stirred up nationalism in my country. I really thought that had been defeated but now the union is at threat again. Those wanting independence will use anything to stir up division and xenophobia. 

All this came about in order to placate the right wing of the Tory party  its unbelievable 

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2 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

I worry about the effects of Brexit and the simple fact that so many voted for it on the misguided assumption that it was all about immigration. Let's be honest how many leave voters knew about single market or customs unions etc?  But they all knew the lies that Farage spouted.   

I also have another fear, Brexit has stirred up nationalism in my country. I really thought that had been defeated but now the union is at threat again. Those wanting independence will use anything to stir up division and xenophobia. 

All this came about in order to placate the right wing of the Tory party  its unbelievable 

Agreed. I think @squirrelarmy is right that a cancellation does seem like the only workable option (I love how they're blaming Ireland too....maybe they should have thought about the consequences of that before they scheduled the referendum!) but I do worry what kind of impact that will have. I would hope that yesterday's absolute spectacle would have shown some people the light, but I fear that a lot of that stuff won't actually get on the radar of brexiteers. The Sun has today led with some shit about one of those dance-based celebrity shows - at least they know when to admit that even they cannot polish a turd. 

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2 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

All this came about in order to placate the right wing of the Tory party  its unbelievable 

A lot of it came about because of a group of rich people’s tax free offshore nest eggs are going to have to be declared. 
 

The right wing angle is what was used to sell Brexit to the masses. Anyone who thinks the Tories conjured this up to make the population happy is wrong. It’s all a massive tax dodge sprinkled with disaster capitalists ready to make a literal killing when the economy crashes. 

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8 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

I also have another fear, Brexit has stirred up nationalism in my country.

i thought that was going pretty well long before brexit. ;) 

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Just now, eFestivals said:

i thought that was going pretty well long before brexit. ;) 

The tide had turned at the last election and the nationalists were losing support  don't believe all the rhetoric from sturgeon 

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7 hours ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

I worry about the effects of Brexit and the simple fact that so many voted for it on the misguided assumption that it was all about immigration. Let's be honest how many leave voters knew about single market or customs unions etc?  But they all knew the lies that Farage spouted.   

I also have another fear, Brexit has stirred up nationalism in my country. I really thought that had been defeated but now the union is at threat again. Those wanting independence will use anything to stir up division and xenophobia. 

All this came about in order to placate the right wing of the Tory party  its unbelievable 

The weirdest thing about brexit is how it was seemingly primarily motivated by immigration but has since been converted to a desire to strike fantasy trade deals (that supporters of it will have zero say over, and will be negotiated from a position of ultimate weakness by... unelected bureaucrats). Brexiteers very rarely bang on about immigration now- all the bluster is about fantasy trade deals, like they're 19th century traders out on the high seas.

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That's the Johnson guarantee then, that is the exact opposite of what Cummings said 24hours ago. Ha, always amazes me how people choose to believe known liars.

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12 hours ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

I worry about the effects of Brexit and the simple fact that so many voted for it on the misguided assumption that it was all about immigration. Let's be honest how many leave voters knew about single market or customs unions etc?  But they all knew the lies that Farage spouted.   

I also have another fear, Brexit has stirred up nationalism in my country. I really thought that had been defeated but now the union is at threat again. Those wanting independence will use anything to stir up division and xenophobia. 

All this came about in order to placate the right wing of the Tory party  its unbelievable 

There is a view that the SNP are keen on immigration and remaining in the eu rather than stirring up division and xenophobia with our neighbors.

You’ll be aware of how the eu ref vote went in Scotland. 

Folk like the Greens were supporting independence for Scotland long before Brexit.

I do agree that Brexit will aid the Indy cause. Folk in one Country not getting what they voted for innit. Bit like the Tory govt.

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12 hours ago, eFestivals said:

i thought that was going pretty well long before brexit. ;) 

Indeed. Would guess Scottish Indy must be up to 50/50 by now.

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