H.M.V Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 38 minutes ago, Matt42 said: Well considering the documentary alleges that the family and MJ’s team have actively covered up his activities. To the general public they aren’t exactly in a good light right now Ah ok, I obviously missed that in the documentary. I don't recall seeing and allegations towards Janet. It was hard to watch to be fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 I'm no expert, but when people talk about the family as a business empire Janet is generally separate from that. The Control album is about her taking the reins for herself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcwilson87 Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 4 hours ago, Matt42 said: Well considering the documentary alleges that the family and MJ’s team have actively covered up his activities. To the general public they aren’t exactly in a good light right now Watched this last night and don't think there was any suggestion there was a cover up in anyway by anyone in his family? Certainly was suggested some of the people who worked for him were: his choreographer was one I think. I don't think the documentary affects her booking at all, unless there is some accusation of wrongdoing in her part that I completely missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentalplan Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 I agree with Matthew. It’s maybe not right that it’ll cause this type of stir but it probably will happen. We’re living in those times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico martin Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 I agree, unless she makes a statement distancing herself from Michael I can imagine some backlash at the festival tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 What would this backlash involve? Is everyone who's related to a paedophile also guilty by association? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwedgeAntilles Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 Angry flash mob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 The sort of folk who protest outside of paediatricians surgeries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henry bear Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 26 minutes ago, zico martin said: I agree, unless she makes a statement distancing herself from Michael I can imagine some backlash at the festival tbh. Unless she draws attention to it herself she’ll be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 Some c**t will turn up with a flag. The same sort of c**ts who started petitions to Obama to get that Making a Murderer lad out of prison. See also Kony 2012. People are morons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zico martin Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 Hey I'm not saying it's right for her to get any blame like, perhaps more for his brothers who have publicly supported him and called out the 2 guys in the documentary this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesecretingredientiscrime Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 There’s a tent named after John Peel so I’m not sure they’re that bothered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloorFiller Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, thesecretingredientiscrime said: There’s a tent named after John Peel so I’m not sure they’re that bothered. Kidz Field renamed Neverland Ranch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt42 Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 6 hours ago, marcwilson87 said: Watched this last night and don't think there was any suggestion there was a cover up in anyway by anyone in his family? Certainly was suggested some of the people who worked for him were: his choreographer was one I think. I don't think the documentary affects her booking at all, unless there is some accusation of wrongdoing in her part that I completely missed. I’m gonna be careful how I word this but the Jackson family right now are ruined. Mere association right now will be enough to garner a petition as dental said. also, despite the fact that there was no clear accusation towards the family. The reaction by his family has been seriously suspicious. I know that Michael was not convicted or found guilty of anything. But I strongly believe that Michael was a peadophile, whether he acted on it or not I do not know how you could watch that documentary and deny it. Obviously when it becomes clear that there has been a mechanism to conceal information from the public attention is going to turn onto the family for looking like they were a secondary party. It’s just the way the media works these days. collateral damage in media nowadays is something pretty silly to deny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 So Janet - who has generally conducted her business separately from the family and seems not to have had much of a relationship with her brother - should just expect the pitchforks anyway, regardless of her own complicity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt42 Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said: So Janet - who has generally conducted her business separately from the family and seems not to have had much of a relationship with her brother - should just expect the pitchforks anyway, regardless of her own complicity? How’s your head in that sand? I’m not saying anything towards Janet is either justified or not but if Janet is on the lineup there will be backlash for this very reason and it’d be foolish to think otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 Right - so some Neil Lonsdale dude organises a petition. It's probably frustrating for the festival that a handful of idiots garner some attention off the back of it, but ultimately it's still just some c**ts being c**ts. Theoretically it shouldn't matter a jot to anyone. Whats the alternative? Cancel the booking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentalplan Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 Just now, CaledonianGonzo said: Right - so some Neil Lonsdale dude organises a petition. It's probably frustrating for the festival that a handful of idiots garner some attention off the back of it, but ultimately it's still just some c**ts being c**ts. Theoretically it shouldn't matter a jot to anyone. Whats the alternative? Cancel the booking? That’s all that’s being commented - that it would happen. Not that it should happen, nor that it should be avoided by cancelling her slot, just that it probably will garner some criticism in that respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 "The Jackson family right now are ruined" sounds a bit more absolutist than that. But fine. It may happen, but if it does I dunno of it signifies much. Ultimately this is still us all just kicking a conversational ball around. Wife-assualting homophobe Liam Gallagher is looking like a cert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.M.V Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 People must be dumb as fuck if they think that Janet is even remotely associated with any of this. She was always detached from the family. I actually remember being rather surprised when she did scream with Michael. If she is booked I for one will be welcoming it. She would be a brilliant addition. Beggars belief that anyone would backlash someone for the alleged crimes of another. For what its worth, I think Michael is guilty. I believe those lads absolutely and evidence to me is irrefutable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatyeti24 Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 All these forrin nonces, coming here, taking are children. They'll turn the British Isles into the Paedoph Isles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Chris Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 If I don’t like something or disapprove of it or disagree with the politics, religion or ethics I don’t go and see it, especially at glastonbury. It’s too precious a time to waste even a second. I can’t see the point of turning up to protest, wave a banner or make some sort of stand that says look at me. The documentary was a hard watch but Janet didn’t seem implicated in any way. I trust the festival organisers to make the correct call on the booking, in fact any booking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Tease Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, H.M.V said: People must be dumb as fuck if they think that Janet is even remotely associated with any of this. She was always detached from the family. I actually remember being rather surprised when she did scream with Michael. If she is booked I for one will be welcoming it. She would be a brilliant addition. Beggars belief that anyone would backlash someone for the alleged crimes of another. For what its worth, I think Michael is guilty. I believe those lads absolutely and evidence to me is irrefutable. Yep, bizarre that Pete Townsend is allowed to headline but Janet isn't allowed to play without a invoking a backlash because of something her brother may or may not have done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, H.M.V said: Beggars belief that anyone would backlash someone for the alleged crimes of another. You have to assume that in cases like this the majority of the friends, relatives and associates are all going to feel guilty as fuck regardless. Cos you would. 5 minutes ago, H.M.V said: For what its worth, I think Michael is guilty. I believe those lads absolutely and evidence to me is irrefutable. Yeah that definitely seems cut and dried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.M.V Posted March 9, 2019 Report Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 minute ago, CaledonianGonzo said: You have to assume that in cases like this the majority of the friends, relatives and associates are all going to feel guilty as fuck regardless. Cos you would. Yeah that definitely seems cut and dried. Of course you would feel awful being associated with this no matter the connection. I can imagine that plenty of lives are ruined by the actions of one person. I certainly won't be holding Janet guilty for being related to Michael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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