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7 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Space for all viewpoints and perspectives when kicking against the pricks.

For the record i worded that badly - it was meant as support of Idles. As in I don’t think it’s patronising at all - the government isn’t their fault. 

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5 hours ago, Wooderson said:

You’d think Williamson would have bigger, more worthwhile targets. Small-time shit from him. Disappointing.

Nah, if he’s asked he can answer. You can have complaints with small issues at the same time as the big ones.

I see where Williamson is coming from, but I don’t think Idles really sing about being poor do they? Feels a bit like he’s weakly accusing them of something like “champagne socialism”. I don’t know anything of Idles background, but if they are more middle class I do see why he could find it frustrating that they’re finding success on a Punk for the Many type platform. Not really their fault though, I think they’re sincere, which is the important thing.

Sleaford Mods are the better band but I do think sometimes he doesn’t realise they’re actually pretty weird and always going to be a niche concern.

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17 minutes ago, Bradders said:

Nah, if he’s asked he can answer. You can have complaints with small issues at the same time as the big ones.

I see where Williamson is coming from, but I don’t think Idles really sing about being poor do they? Feels a bit like he’s weakly accusing them of something like “champagne socialism”. I don’t know anything of Idles background, but if they are more middle class I do see why he could find it frustrating that they’re finding success on a Punk for the Many type platform. Not really their fault though, I think they’re sincere, which is the important thing.

Sleaford Mods are the better band but I do think sometimes he doesn’t realise they’re actually pretty weird and always going to be a niche concern.

The Left has always turned on itself mate. I’m not surprised. “Oh I’m more legit than you.” GFY.

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Sleaford Mods coming on after Slaves on the John Peel and asking "dyou enjoy the support? Who was it fucking Take That?" was hilarious to be fair.

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9 hours ago, Mouseboy11 said:

Yeah, I definitely see where the complaints about Joy’s overall message come from. I myself can find it a bit patronising to preach ‘peace and love’ when we’ve a government that actively seeks to make the lives of family and friends worse. 

Still, I think it’s a fantastic record and personal attacks on the band aren’t the way to go. As has been said, you’d think Williamson would have bigger fish to fry.

I think he's trying to use idles to get noticed again. 

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9 hours ago, Superscally said:

I think he's trying to use idles to get noticed again. 

Fair.

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10 hours ago, Superscally said:

I think he's trying to use idles to get noticed again. 

I think you could be over estimating Idles. Sleafords tour is sold out and they've a new album this week which is getting good reviews. 

Its just got a bit out of hand. People take things far too seriously. 

lol @ Jason though.

 

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I like a lot of Sleaford Mods stuff, but Williamson is being a tit if thinks he should gate-keep who's allowed to write songs about sociopolitical matters affecting working class folk, because he thinks he's working class and Idles aren't. Sounds like he needs to pull his head out of his arse.

Williamson lives in the same part of Nottingham as I do, he's definitely not working class anymore.  

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25 minutes ago, The Nal said:

I think you could be over estimating Idles. Sleafords tour is sold out and they've a new album this week which is getting good reviews. 

Its just got a bit out of hand. People take things far too seriously. 

lol @ Jason though.

 

Incredible :lol:

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8 minutes ago, The Spandex Warrior said:

I like a lot of Sleaford Mods stuff, but Williamson is being a tit if thinks he should gate-keep who's allowed to write songs about sociopolitical matters affecting working class folk, because he thinks he's working class and Idles aren't. Sounds like he needs to pull his head out of his arse.

Williamson lives in the same part of Nottingham as I do, he's definitely not working class anymore.  

Shaun is the kind of one-dimensional bore that would chuck similar classist nonsense at the likes of Joe Strummer. The minute I hear this kinda nonsense it puts me off immediately. His music is ace, but he comes across like a prat in this.

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Acts with records/tickets to sell slag off another act to get publicity. Ain’t anything worth bothering with. Tale as old as time. 

Prehistoric caveman number 1: yeah, the thing is, my cave paintings are based on my real experience. You see Ugg over there, he’s got a big cave, these days, eats wooly mammoth every day, forgotten what proper art means. 

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1 minute ago, Mardy said:

Acts with records/tickets to sell slag off another act to get publicity. Ain’t anything worth bothering with. Tale as old as time. 

Prehistoric caveman number 1: yeah, the thing is, my cave paintings are based on my real experience. You see Ugg over there, he’s got a big cave, these days, eats wooly mammoth every day, forgotten what proper art means. 

But Jason was asked a question in an interview and responded with his honest grievances. Don’t get why it’s treated the same as what Lias has done - taking aim at two bands in the caption to a pic of FWF tour dates.

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53 minutes ago, The Nal said:

I think you could be over estimating Idles. Sleafords tour is sold out and they've a new album this week which is getting good reviews. 

? Sleafords tour is nowhere near sold out, although they are playing a lot of shows.

I don't think he was deliberately trying to capitalise on IDLES' success, but they are much the bigger act right now.

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Like he said, he was asked a question and he answered it, he didn’t send out a press release.

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24 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

But Jason was asked a question in an interview and responded with his honest grievances. Don’t get why it’s treated the same as what Lias has done - taking aim at two bands in the caption to a pic of FWF tour dates.

Yeah, maybe, but they’re all in the business of show. He knows the value of a bit of controversy. 

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9 minutes ago, Bradders said:

Like he said, he was asked a question and he answered it, he didn’t send out a press release.

Jason is just a normal bloke. Nice interview with him here from last week. Didn't know he was a drugged up alco and his missus moved out with the kids a few years back, psychotherapy etc.  

http://player.lush.com/channels/gorilla/radio/best-times-jason-williamson

Despite the slagging off of Idles, its lazy by the press to compare these bands by chucking them all in the "punk" or "working class" basket as the limit of their analysis. Almost every interview I've heard with Jason hes been asked about "working class" as a main question. 

Anyway two of the most exciting bands about, both busy this year. All good.  

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1 hour ago, dentalplan said:

But Jason was asked a question in an interview and responded with his honest grievances. Don’t get why it’s treated the same as what Lias has done - taking aim at two bands in the caption to a pic of FWF tour dates.

One act giving another a little slagging, surely that's a red flag to the bull for an opportunist mischief maker sitting on the sidelines?

He can slag both at the same time, double the coverage.

 

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5 hours ago, Wooderson said:

He came out with a load of tosh, Nal.

Yep. Saying he likes their first album, that they’re nice lads and they’ve had genuine struggles but somehow hates them now... that suggests it’s their success which has got his back up. 

I know a few people who’ve had dealings with them around Bristol and everyone talks about how genuine and friendly they are. Gigging for years, one works at the uni, one helped run a local music venue etc - it’s hardly manufactured pop band stuff. 

Jason having a pop at every opportunity comes across as needy. 

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18 hours ago, strummer77 said:

Yep. Saying he likes their first album, that they’re nice lads and they’ve had genuine struggles but somehow hates them now... that suggests it’s their success which has got his back up. 

I know a few people who’ve had dealings with them around Bristol and everyone talks about how genuine and friendly they are. Gigging for years, one works at the uni, one helped run a local music venue etc - it’s hardly manufactured pop band stuff. 

Jason having a pop at every opportunity comes across as needy. 

He takes music really seriously, mate.

Clearly not listened to "June" on the Idles record.

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19 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

He takes music really seriously, mate.

Clearly not listened to "June" on the Idles record.

Its great that lyrics are back. Been too many whiny singer songwriters mumbling shit about love and loss recently.

Mods album tomorrow on that note. 

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4 hours ago, The Nal said:

Its great that lyrics are back. Been too many whiny singer songwriters mumbling shit about love and loss recently.

They're only human mate

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14 minutes ago, priest17 said:

They're only human mate

You better not be putting the blame on them...

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