Jeremy Corbyn

[VCK]

The guy was nothing more than a fad.

[JMDS]

On 12/23/2018 at 9:07 AM, danbailey80 said:

Thoughts?

 

get him there on the pyramid.  While everyone was chanting corbyn in 17.. i walked to back of pyramid crowd and there was eavis in his landrover and I  got a high five whilst i was sort of chanting corbyn / eavis / long drop!

[glasto-worker]

one advantage of being stuck in Intensive Care Unit was that I missed Jeremy Corbyn as I know he was inside the WBC Crew area and did some photos inside a few Bars.I just cant stand him and I know if he ever gets into Power ' very little will change '

just posting to push Spam down from the top spot 

[Ayrshire Chris]

Any labour leader that wants the PM job has to win back Scotland. Currently the nationalists have infested the country and attracted voters with their empty rhetoric and vague soundbites. Labour used to have over 40 safe seats here that swung the U.K. balance of power.   They need to win them back . Just maybe Corbyn can win them back,  nationalism wherever it exists is a curse. 

[whitehorses]

36 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

Any labour leader that wants the PM job has to win back Scotland. Currently the nationalists have infested the country and attracted voters with their empty rhetoric and vague soundbites. Labour used to have over 40 safe seats here that swung the U.K. balance of power.   They need to win them back . Just maybe Corbyn can win them back,  nationalism wherever it exists is a curse. 

But... Corbyn is a nationalist (most socialists are aren’t they). Hence being a leaver and probably also his tacit (at least seemed like it) support for a second ref in Scotland. Unsure how his ideas help Scotland tbh: If UK leaves EU under Corbyn then Scotland will almost certainly try to leave the UK in a 2nd red and rejoin the EU under its own terms? Or have I completely misread this situation? 

[Ayrshire Chris]

46 minutes ago, caballosblancos said:

But... Corbyn is a nationalist (most socialists are aren’t they). Hence being a leaver and probably also his tacit (at least seemed like it) support for a second ref in Scotland. Unsure how his ideas help Scotland tbh: If UK leaves EU under Corbyn then Scotland will almost certainly try to leave the UK in a 2nd red and rejoin the EU under its own terms? Or have I completely misread this situation? 

A majority of the population up here detest the nationalists. First past the post means the anti snp vote is split between labour tories and Lib Dem’s. yes we do want to remain in the eu but the union with the rest of the U.K. is more important.  Corbyn might grant another once in a generation referendum but I am confident the union will prevail. 

[whitehorses]

Ok @Ayrshire Chris - fair enough. I don’t think JC is your saviour though. Think you need someone committed to the union and the EU, personally. 

[Ayrshire Chris]

13 minutes ago, caballosblancos said:

Ok @Ayrshire Chris - fair enough. I don’t think JC is your saviour though. Think you need someone committed to the union and the EU, personally. 

I agree with you. I also well remember that morning at the festival when the news spread that the eu referendum had been lost. After the news had sunk in one of my first thoughts was that the cynical political opportunists in the snp would use it as an excuse to push again for separation.  Sadly I was right. PleaseDon’t judge Scots by that front bench of nationalists in the commons!

[whitehorses]

@Ayrshire Chris Yes, that was a bizarre, almost unreal morning in 2016 at Glasto. I ‘remember’ it well. And of course not about SNP etc. My dad, not Scottish but been there 25 years, lives in Ayr and says almost identical things to you on the subject (whether you take that as a compliment or not ?‍♂️)  

[Madyaker]

It's time to ditch these 2 party systems. Its fucking the USA and the UK.

[reflekting]

48 minutes ago, Madyaker said:

It's time to ditch these 2 party systems. Its fucking the USA and the UK.

Problem is funding a new party is easier than it appears. It took UKIP a number of elections before they even became a threat in the EU parliament, that being the primary platform they were concerned about. A lot of Labour are concerned about what happened with the SDP split a few decades ago which failed to get going from a decent starting point. 

I'd love the Lib Dems to rebuild, but unfortunately Vince isn't the man to do it, and they're tainted by association to the austerity coalition, despite the fact Cameron and Osborne were the main culprits. As you see from the current Tory government, that 2010-15 parliment was a model for how government could work, unfortunately it was led by a majority party with flawed ideals. I do think next election could see Lib Dems get back to the 30-40 seat mark, but they need to win a few more seats back in the South West and in Scotland. 

[dentalplan]

1 hour ago, reflekting said:

Problem is funding a new party is easier than it appears. It took UKIP a number of elections before they even became a threat in the EU parliament, that being the primary platform they were concerned about. A lot of Labour are concerned about what happened with the SDP split a few decades ago which failed to get going from a decent starting point. 

I'd love the Lib Dems to rebuild, but unfortunately Vince isn't the man to do it, and they're tainted by association to the austerity coalition, despite the fact Cameron and Osborne were the main culprits. As you see from the current Tory government, that 2010-15 parliment was a model for how government could work, unfortunately it was led by a majority party with flawed ideals. I do think next election could see Lib Dems get back to the 30-40 seat mark, but they need to win a few more seats back in the South West and in Scotland. 

I honestly think we’re far enough on from 2010 where people will forget - or even just not see it as so important in hindsight - about the student loan cuts betrayal issue and other things from that time. Them simply being ‘the Remain party’ should really see them scoop up hella disenfranchised pro-EU peeps but there’s nothing much going on to put them back on the map, other than the shambling of the big two.

[Avalon_Fields]

Fascinating thread. I welcome the open and honest comments, it’s good to see a range of opinions being expressed without the intolerance to differing views that tended to happen on here previously. 

I really hope this may continue....

[Crazyfool01]

I will now probably go back to the Lib Dems having previously put in a green protest vote or two ...unfortunately although the tuition fee u turn was big at the time  ,there are far more important things to worry about now but I do think they need a new leader to energise the party and take advantage more of the strong vote winning situation around brexit .... smaller partys seem like they may have more influence in the future as the big partys seem very divided and this might take a few elections to sort themselves out .

[clarkete]

13 hours ago, reflekting said:

Problem is funding a new party is easier than it appears. It took UKIP a number of elections before they even became a threat in the EU parliament, that being the primary platform they were concerned about. A lot of Labour are concerned about what happened with the SDP split a few decades ago which failed to get going from a decent starting point. 

I'd love the Lib Dems to rebuild, but unfortunately Vince isn't the man to do it, and they're tainted by association to the austerity coalition, despite the fact Cameron and Osborne were the main culprits. As you see from the current Tory government, that 2010-15 parliment was a model for how government could work, unfortunately it was led by a majority party with flawed ideals. I do think next election could see Lib Dems get back to the 30-40 seat mark, but they need to win a few more seats back in the South West and in Scotland. 

Your history as it comes across is a bit skewiff.

When you say the SDP failed to get going, that's actually the reason there's a Dem in Lib Dem, just in case it was before your time. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(UK) 

Indeed, close enough that in 1985 folks who had friends in the SDP were helping the Liberal Party man the cheese roll stall at Glastonbury, hence I got to go and stand behind a trestle table or carry a bread basket of them around the site 

Having stood on doorsteps for decades saying that coalition politics were OK, and that they did it in councils around the country and that it worked in other countries it was inevitable that when the choice of joining a coalition in parliament came about they felt obliged to take it - otherwise no minority party would win any seats.  Allegedly the choice was either supporting Brown's phenomenally unpopular premiership or joining the cr@p farm that duly followed. 

I agree with you about Vince, he's got a lot of positives but far too much an integral part of the coalition, which has tainted the party for some folks to such a degree that it will be a difficult task to ever regain the trust of some - if indeed it ever can.  I know some folks who can be seemingly more vitriolic than about any party - you know as the people who facilitated the b*st*rds are even worse than the b*st*rds themselves.

 

[Ayrshire Chris]

We need an a Eavis party. 

[clarkete]

1 minute ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

We need an a Eavis party. 

1997 General Election

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_(UK_Parliament_constituency)

[reflekting]

1 hour ago, clarkete said:

Your history as it comes across is a bit skewiff.

When you say the SDP failed to get going, that's actually the reason there's a Dem in Lib Dem, just in case it was before your time. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Party_(UK) 

The Gang of Four incident was before my time, but wasn't the consensus that they weren't succesful to the degree they hoped, which is why they subsequently merged with the Liberals? Sorry if i'm completely off the mark, my politics only goes back to the mid-90s.

[Ayrshire Chris]

1 hour ago, reflekting said:

The Gang of Four incident was before my time, but wasn't the consensus that they weren't succesful to the degree they hoped, which is why they subsequently merged with the Liberals? Sorry if i'm completely off the mark, my politics only goes back to the mid-90s.

First past the post elections worked against the SDP and continues to hamper the Lib Dem’s. the two main parties know this and have a nice little arrangement that’s ensures they remain in power. At the time I honestly thought the Gang of Four had a chance of a breakthrough, it never happened. So many folk have liberal views but vote for tories to keep labour out or labour to keep the tories out. 

[TheNoise]

9 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

So many folk have liberal views but vote for tories to keep labour out or labour to keep the tories out. 

And herein lies the problem. This is why the smaller parties do better in the local elections but people don't want to 'waste' a vote in the GE so they vote for their preferred party from the big two.

[fatyeti24]

6 hours ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

We need an a Eavis party. 

There is one.  It's the last weekend in June in Pilton.

[Ommadawn]

So if the general consensus is that Corbyn's star is waning, where will the Labour party be 12 months from now? 

[SwedgeAntilles]

On 12/27/2018 at 7:48 PM, Ayrshire Chris said:

I agree with you. I also well remember that morning at the festival when the news spread that the eu referendum had been lost. After the news had sunk in one of my first thoughts was that the cynical political opportunists in the snp would use it as an excuse to push again for separation.  Sadly I was right. PleaseDon’t judge Scots by that front bench of nationalists in the commons!

Also don't judge Scots by the opinions of Unionists 

[Ayrshire Chris]

28 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

Also don't judge Scots by the opinions of Unionists 

Very true , I will, and always have, respect democracy. 

Edited December 28, 2018 by Ayrshire Chris

[eFestivals]

10 hours ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

Very true , I will, and always have, respect democracy. 

even when it votes for brexit, or says to vote for brexit on steroids?

I'm all for democracy, but that doesn't stop me from realising that people can vote stupid.

The idea of politics, and so democracy, is to bring about improvements, and not to take a sledgehammer to the better world we've created. If you want to smash it all then it might as well be done properly with violent revolution.

Edited December 29, 2018 by eFestivals