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[CaledonianGonzo]

Sounds like someone's been triggered.  

[Winslow Leach]

@CaledonianGonzo Ho ho, careful now. With plausibly deniable material like that you'll soon be the third member of the Jonathan Pie writing team, behind the guy that plays Pie and this Children of the Corn: The Later Years looking motherfucker:

[priest17]

31 minutes ago, Winslow Leach said:

 

I think you'll find the essence of satire is stating things you unironically believe, to people who agree with you, but with a silly surname.

satire is where its the same as here, but there's animals in it.

[The Nal]

What exactly are peoples beef with the Pie character? Ive only seen a few youtube clips

Edited April 30, 2019 by The Nal

[justperfect]

Beef pie....yes please 

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, justperfect said:

Beef pie....yes please 

I think @balti-pie might disagree  

[CaledonianGonzo]

32 minutes ago, The Nal said:

What exactly are peoples beef with the Pie character? Ive only seen a few youtube clips

Basically, the far right and other assorted Nazis are using free-speech as a bad-faith wedge issue in order to force the mainstream media to give their ideology the time of day / a fair hearing - under the guise that all ideas are worth hearing and up for debate in the so-called 'marketplace of ideas'. Presumably up to and including genocide.

Meantime, Pie and Doyle are going out to bat on the same side by punching left against the people who see what the fash are up to and are trying to deny them a fair hearing. 

They're dark masters of false equivalence and - unlike the folk genuinely being threatened - have little at stake in the matter other than semantics.

 

[deadpheasant]

2 hours ago, Winslow Leach said:

Sorry lads, but anyone excited by the prospect of Jonathan Pie needs to take a long, hard fucking look at the state of themselves.

Jesus, calm down lad. Be less judgemental yeah and let people see who they like.

[Winslow Leach]

Just now, deadpheasant said:

Jesus, calm down lad. Be less judgemental yeah and let people see who they like.

No.

[hfuhruhurr]

crikey, unless I've been laughing at the wrong thing, I thought Pie is hilarious - ranting at all the fake news in a wonderful fake way.

[The Nal]

7 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Basically, the far right and other assorted Nazis are using free-speech as a bad-faith wedge issue in order to force the mainstream media to give their ideology the time of day / a fair hearing - under the guise that all ideas are worth hearing and up for debate in the so-called 'marketplace of ideas'. Presumably up to and including genocide.

Meantime, Pie and Doyle are going out to bat on the same side by punching left against the people who see what the fash are up to and are trying to deny them a fair hearing. 

They're dark masters of false equivalence and - unlike the folk genuinely being threatened - have little at stake in the matter other than semantics.

 

Wasn't aware of his output in that regard. All I've seen is him trashing May, Bojo, JRM et al and defending a comedians joke. 

[deadpheasant]

Just now, Winslow Leach said:

No.

Sheesh

[The Nal]

Seems fairly left to me. 

"Boris Johnson is an opportunistic prick with no moral backbone whatsoever". 

"Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg - two of the worst people imaginable"

 

[brettredmayne]

Would love to see Rachel Paris from the Mash report also be at Glastonbury, missed out on tickets for her stand up in Newcastle and think she is great

[found home in 2009]

I like what I've seen of Jonathon Pie. Not sure if I've just managed to miss the offensive stuff. Would be curious to see some of the videos that have wound people up.

I'd been hoping for John Cooper Clarke. Guessing my chances of him being there are pretty low as I think he'd be big enough to be mentioned in the article.

Really doesn't feel like a proper line up release. If the smaller posters are meant to give the smaller parts of the festival their time in the spotlight it feels a bit like theatre and circus area have wasted their moment.

[The Martini Police]

36 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Basically, the far right and other assorted Nazis are using free-speech as a bad-faith wedge issue in order to force the mainstream media to give their ideology the time of day / a fair hearing - under the guise that all ideas are worth hearing and up for debate in the so-called 'marketplace of ideas'. Presumably up to and including genocide.

Meantime, Pie and Doyle are going out to bat on the same side by punching left against the people who see what the fash are up to and are trying to deny them a fair hearing. 

They're dark masters of false equivalence and - unlike the folk genuinely being threatened - have little at stake in the matter other than semantics.

 

Which Nazis are you referring to here that they're 'going out to bat with'? The argument I suspect many have seen (and you may be referring to) is regarding Mark Meechan, the guy who taught his girlfriend's dog a Nazi salute. Now this guy also has right-wing views but needless to say, neither this nor making a joke with a dog makes him a Nazi. I don't agree with these right-wing (nor pro-brexit) views and neither do Tom Walker or Andrew Doyle (all left of centre in fact) but Meechan's right to make a joke without facing prosecution is something worth arguing for. Consider him a twat sure (he is), but criminal prosecution? That's a very dangerous road to go down.

It's this kind of attitude that epitomises the regressive left. It's not helpful, and in fact it makes fighting actual fascism/racism more difficult due to a loss of credibility from false or flimsy claims. It trivialises it and makes the left look pathetic. Ultimately, this is a left wing guy sticking up for left wing values and he actually spends most his time berating the Tories anyway.

Edit - the video above calls out another good example of the regressive left doing its best to lose credibility for the left as a whole. Does a Labour MP comparing those particular Tories to the Nazis help or hinder arguing against them? 

 

 

Edited April 30, 2019 by The Martini Police

[tumbles]

16 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Seems fairly left to me. 

"Boris Johnson is an opportunistic prick with no moral backbone whatsoever". 

"Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg - two of the worst people imaginable"

 

He bashes left, right and centre depending on what’s going on in the world.  Right now it’s easy for him to bash anything with regards to Brexit and the general right wing divisions in the Tory party. 

[The Nal]

I thought the Nazi dog guy video was funny. 

2 minutes ago, tumbles said:

He bashes left, right and centre depending on what’s going on in the world.  Right now it’s easy for him to bash anything with regards to Brexit and the general right wing divisions in the Tory party. 

Sounds good to me.

 

Edited April 30, 2019 by The Nal

[Winslow Leach]

[Lubic]

17 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Seems fairly left to me. 

"Boris Johnson is an opportunistic prick with no moral backbone whatsoever". 

"Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg - two of the worst people imaginable"

 

Aye he's pretty left from what I've seen. He hates the Tories, and he gave Chukka and the centrists a good roasting not long ago:

 

[eFestivals]

29 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Seems fairly left to me. 

I don't think you need to be left to think that Boris is an opportunist prick with no moral backbone.

I'm pretty sure more than half the tory party think the same.

[ourkid1984]

For me Jonathan Pie is like an uncle or a family friend down who is down the pub all the time. Funny at times but also times when he says things that are just a bit embarrassing for him really but he's too oblivious to notice or knows he's saying it for laughs. 

Can't really take his character seriously but if you're a fan great. If you're not then fine. He is a bit of a marmite character.

[Keithy]

And the one he was recording

Once you realise there's not even another bloke on the other side of the camera, it becomes even more laughable. Just a bloke ranting into a camera by himself, pretending to talk to a non existent person in his ear.

 

[Mr.Tease]

37 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Seems fairly left to me. 

"Boris Johnson is an opportunistic prick with no moral backbone whatsoever". 

"Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg - two of the worst people imaginable"

 

I sometimes like him, but then he went off on a whole 'political correctness gone mad' bent that was barely comprehensible. Owen Jones did an interview with him following this, and it wasn't great:

 

[Woffy]

I was given tickets to see Pie and it was a curious experience.

Like some on here i'd only seen his YouTube videos taking the piss out of BJ, JRM, May, etc. Quite amusing.

Live was an altogether more divisive experience.

All that stuff i've mentioned above was decent, funny. As was the 'plot' of the show - a Patridge-esque attempt at a live show in order to get his own tv show. Worked quite well, if not original.

Towards the end though I had difficulty agreeing with - let alone laughing at - his schtick about:

- Telling people 'not to be victims'. Easily said if you're not on the receiving end of any sort of abuse.

- Stating that he wants to give the far right a voice...so he can talk to them...debate with them.

Fuck that. That shit didn't sit right with me.

I'm not clever enough to put my feelings into words or probably comprehend correctly what the overarching intention was, but:

As a comedian, i didn't really understand what he was aiming at / was going on (as i've just said), as a show i didn't get what, thematically, the point was. It was confused and drifted away from the narrative of the show as set out at the start.

Maybe i'm too thick. Probably. But it seemed very cosy for him to be making some of his points from a definite position of priviledge.