psbros Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 21 minutes ago, shoebox said: Well, it's subjective isn't it? Opinion seems split 50/50 across social media, so as long as plenty are happy, who are we to complain? Especially when there'll be 3 other stages of music, plus comedy and cinema on at the same time. One act out of 80+ is nothing really Agree - have seen some great bands as a result of a wander to Tipi and Big Top as didn’t like what was on offer there. Also, sometimes you need some food and to meet your mates etc! Still an awesome festival Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 15 minutes ago, ljsawyer said: Can anyone tell me what Wire are like live these days? According to setlist.fm they hardly play anything from their three 'classic' albums and I'm not sure I'd bother if that's the case. It's looking like they'll now clash with Penya so I've got a tough decision to make. They play Three Girl Rhumba, Two People in a Room, Blessed State and a couple of other early ones but thats about it. A lot of new stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Declan Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 I saw Kate Tempest headline Deer Shed in a deluge a few years back. A very strong set. Bumping Courtney up and adding her second on the bill does seem stronger. In fact, EOTR have repeated their habit of having the strongest Woods and Garden headliners on the same day (top 3 on both stages on Saturday) then having two dullards headlining another night. It's worth remembering though even if the headliners don't float your boat it can be pretty special in the evening floating between the stages, catching a bit of all bands, meandering through the woods looking at the art work, seeing if anything's happening on the piano stage. You'll all be fine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Bizarre that some of you are suggesting that Kate Tempest isn't big enough to play before the headliner even thouhh she is much bigger than Baxter Dury, who is in the same slot the night before. Also, the suggestion that Simon didn't care because it has already sold out is absolutely laughable. I won't see either of Tempest or Barnett but am actually quite happy that they're on the bill. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamcampesinos! Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 2 minutes ago, Guy Incognito said: Bizarre that some of you are suggesting that Kate Tempest isn't big enough to play before the headliner even thouhh she is much bigger than Baxter Dury, who is in the same slot the night before. Completely reiterate this. It always baffles me on this forum, and other forms of social media, when people conflate 'I don't like them' with 'they're not big enough'. It is an unavoidable shame about Beirut, but if the festival always had Barnett headlining and Tempest on before I doubt anybody would have claimed that is not a strong Saturday night. Also, three cheers for a female-dominated Woods Stage on Saturday night! I am also saying this as someone who is not a fan of Tempest whatsoever and very peeved Barnett and Low are now clashing. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeel Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Beirut live are hit and miss, being polite, but it does seem like we've come out of this losing out. I get it's incredibly difficult to fill headline slots at late notice but considering what bands get paid and the low bar for headliners I expected better. We already had by far and away the weakest headliners probably ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rararachel Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, teamcampesinos! said: Completely reiterate this. It always baffles me on this forum, and other forms of social media, when people conflate 'I don't like them' with 'they're not big enough'. It is an unavoidable shame about Beirut, but if the festival always had Barnett headlining and Tempest on before I doubt anybody would have claimed that is not a strong Saturday night. Also, three cheers for a female-dominated Woods Stage on Saturday night! I am also saying this as someone who is not a fan of Tempest whatsoever and very peeved Barnett and Low are now clashing. I reiterate your reiterating .. my feelings exactly. (Except the part about Tempest... I think she'll surprise people – I'm anticipating something really intense, and probably quite emotional, reckon it'll be something special. The recent album is really knock-out, quite different from earlier ones – I loved Let them eat chaos too, but the newer one is more introspective, more intimate, more 'melodic' somehow, I genuinely think it'll be a fantastic set. But regardless of taste, she headed up the lineup for the Far Out tent at Green Man a couple of years ago, I feel like she fits perfectly in this slot) That Barnett / Low clash though, ufft... Edited August 6, 2019 by rararachel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeel Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Just for perspective, all the headliners since it began as a 5k festival. Metronomy – Michael Kiwanuka – Courtney Barnett St Vincent - Vampire Weekend - Feist Mac DeMarco - Father John Misty - The Jesus and Mary Chain Animal Collective - Bat for Lashes – Joanna Newsom Tame Impala – Sufjan Stevens – The War on Drugs St Vincent – The Flaming Lips – Wild Beasts David Byrne & St Vincent - Sigor Ros – Belle and Sebastian Beach House – Grizzly Bear – Grandaddy Joanna Newsom – Mogwai – Beirut Modest Mouse – Yo La Tengo – Wilco Fleet Foxes – Explosions in the Sky – Steve Earle Conor Oberst – Mercury Rev – Calexico Yo la Tengo – Super Furry Animals – Lambchop Ryan Adams- Badly Drawn Boy – British Sea Power The only year it has been weaker than this year was the first one and I'd say Ryan Adams in 2006 was bigger than any of the 2019 bands now. There is a lot stronger middle nowardays but compared to similar size festivals the top end is weak. Personally, I'm happy to have a bit less for my money as it's non-corporate but those aren't festival headliers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jeel said: Just for perspective, all the headliners since it began as a 5k festival. Metronomy – Michael Kiwanuka – Courtney Barnett St Vincent - Vampire Weekend - Feist Mac DeMarco - Father John Misty - The Jesus and Mary Chain Animal Collective - Bat for Lashes – Joanna Newsom Tame Impala – Sufjan Stevens – The War on Drugs St Vincent – The Flaming Lips – Wild Beasts David Byrne & St Vincent - Sigor Ros – Belle and Sebastian Beach House – Grizzly Bear – Grandaddy Joanna Newsom – Mogwai – Beirut Modest Mouse – Yo La Tengo – Wilco Fleet Foxes – Explosions in the Sky – Steve Earle Conor Oberst – Mercury Rev – Calexico Yo la Tengo – Super Furry Animals – Lambchop Ryan Adams- Badly Drawn Boy – British Sea Power The only year it has been weaker than this year was the first one and I'd say Ryan Adams in 2006 was bigger than any of the 2019 bands now. There is a lot stronger middle nowardays but compared to similar size festivals the top end is weak. Personally, I'm happy to have a bit less for my money as it's non-corporate but those aren't festival headliers. Good thing that only an estimated 8% of people in the UK go to festivals for the headliners then isn't it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 End Of The Road, more than many other festivals, feels a lot like a deep dive into the music taste of the organisers, rather than just a case of them booking who they think is relevant etc. Simon has always been vocal of that and also in his love of Beirut, Metronomy and Michael Kiweanuka. They also fit in with the original ethos/style of the festival, which many complained was starting to get a bit lost. Like many others, that trio do nothing for me which is a shame but they can't meet my taste everytime with headliners. For better or worse, they're acts that Simon etc love and so I'm not gonna have a go at them for booking those acts, especially when the rest of the line up and the festival as a whole is so good. The irony is that many of us who are claiming that that trio is weak were predicting Deerhunter and Courtney Barnett to be headlining the Woods stage prior to the first announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoebox Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 (edited) It's not "weaker", it's just not to your taste. If you want to get all statty, according to Songkick and their "popularity" rating. The lower the number, the more popular, apparently: 2019: MK - 961 CB - 1232 or Beirut 454 Metro - 593 2018: Feist - 313 St Vincent - 596 Vampire Weekend - 131 2017: Mac - 525 JAMC - 1209 FJM - 782 So whilst last year was a particularly strong year, this year is comparable to 2017. It is also comparable (possibly even stronger) to this year's Green Man with: YLT - 941 Four Tet - 939 FJM - 782 There will be leaner years, and I'm possibly stretching a bit here, but could the political uncertainty around Brexit have had a bit of a knock on festival bookings across the board this year? Look at the acts APE booked this year and compare that with last year. It's all conjecture though, and it really shouldn't matter that 3 acts out of the entire line-up are not to everyone's taste. The festival has still sold out, despite a bill that some are considering to be "poor" EDIT: this was aimed at Jeel by the way, and is in no way intended to belittle their opinion. Just a different take on things Edited August 6, 2019 by shoebox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamcampesinos! Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, Jeel said: Just for perspective, all the headliners since it began as a 5k festival. Metronomy – Michael Kiwanuka – Courtney Barnett St Vincent - Vampire Weekend - Feist Mac DeMarco - Father John Misty - The Jesus and Mary Chain Animal Collective - Bat for Lashes – Joanna Newsom Tame Impala – Sufjan Stevens – The War on Drugs St Vincent – The Flaming Lips – Wild Beasts David Byrne & St Vincent - Sigor Ros – Belle and Sebastian Beach House – Grizzly Bear – Grandaddy Joanna Newsom – Mogwai – Beirut Modest Mouse – Yo La Tengo – Wilco Fleet Foxes – Explosions in the Sky – Steve Earle Conor Oberst – Mercury Rev – Calexico Yo la Tengo – Super Furry Animals – Lambchop Ryan Adams- Badly Drawn Boy – British Sea Power The only year it has been weaker than this year was the first one and I'd say Ryan Adams in 2006 was bigger than any of the 2019 bands now. There is a lot stronger middle nowardays but compared to similar size festivals the top end is weak. Personally, I'm happy to have a bit less for my money as it's non-corporate but those aren't festival headliers. Again, it seems like you're bending facts on popularity to suit your opinion. Let's look at the 2016 headliners, for instance. I saw Animal Collective play to a half-empty Troxy (3100 capacity), while Bat For Lashes headlined a 2000-capacity venue at Mirrors Festival that some year. Comparatively, Metronomy's last Glastonbury slot was headlining the John Peel Stage only two years ago - a stage upon which Father John Misty, Mac DeMarco and Bat For Lashes have all played slots further down the bill within two years of them headlining the festival. Similarly, Courtney Barnett has now sold out Brixton Academy - with an identical capacity to the Hammersmith Apollo Joanna Newsom played the year she headlined! You could also make a similar argument about 2012. Both Grizzly Bear and Granddaddy have since played sub-slots at Green Man, while Beach House are a similarly Troxy-level band. Furthermore, none of this means the headliners are bad or weaker necessarily! Just demonstrating the large extent to which it is silly to use commercial clout or popularity as a means to justify headliners that are not to your taste. I am sure nobody would be happy with Noel Gallagher headlining though he is in the market for similarly sized festivals, and is undoubtedly a larger household name. If this year's headliners are not to your taste, then fair enough, but I think it is short-sighted to act like this is some particular failure on the part of the festival. Luckily, the festival is special enough, that I'd imagine I'd enjoy it even if the line-up was not ideal for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat_Buddha Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 I think the festival is a very different beast now to the earlier years in terms of type of band....Not the headliners, never really bother with them, but the support acts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Looking at the old headliners is interesting. Having been to 10 EOTR's it turns out I've watched less than 15% of the main stage headliners (and won't see any this year) which goes to show how unimportant they are to some punters. Not fussed about seeing Kate Tempest which is alright because it means less potential clashes on an already busy Saturday night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuna Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 6 hours ago, rararachel said: Creates... NIGHTMARE. Excited about Kate Tempest, great addition in my books. Ah that throws a real spanner in the works, sucks. Likelihood of Courtney pulling double duty and doing one of the unnacounced ...? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born in the fifties Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Actually quite happy if the headliners aren't to my taste (and they ain't this year), and particularly so if the Garden Stage headliners are to my taste (and they are this year), as I'd far rather be watching stuff on the Garden Stage than the Woods Stage. Not sure there is a better place to watch music than the Garden Stage, and certainly not at the any of the festivals I'm familiar with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjrant Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Does anyone think that there might be a gap opening up on Sunday night in the Big Top? Wild Beasts did a ‘surprise’ bigger set there a couple of years ago? Also, very pleased Courtney Barnett is now headlining and that Kate Tempest has been added. I will not see either Metronomy or Michael Kiwanuka if it can be helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Incognito Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 32 minutes ago, Tuna said: Ah that throws a real spanner in the works, sucks. Likelihood of Courtney pulling double duty and doing one of the unnacounced ...? ? Very unlikely I'd have thought. Is normally the acts lower down the bill that pop up elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweepingTheNation Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 51 minutes ago, tjrant said: Does anyone think that there might be a gap opening up on Sunday night in the Big Top? Wild Beasts did a ‘surprise’ bigger set there a couple of years ago? That was advertised as a secret set. The only way there'll be a gap on Sunday night in the Big Top is if BEAK> or Fontaines DC pull out, and there's been no suggestion of either (god knows what was going on with the latter pulling some of their festival dates given they played in Montreal on Sunday) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeel Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Does anyone have any idea what is going on with the still empty Thursday slot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killyourtv Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Kate Tempest a definite win for me. Latest record fantastic. Beirut were highlight of my first, life changing EOTR, but that was their highpoint. Can honestly say I'm rarely bothered with "headliners", as only go for new musical discoveries, the gardens and food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick07 Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 Wild Beasts play the secret set the year they headlined? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeel Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 4 minutes ago, Nick07 said: Wild Beasts play the secret set the year they headlined? No, they played a 'secret' Big Top set which was announced shortly before the festival. In 2017, I think. Or the year before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benali Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Jeel said: No, they played a 'secret' Big Top set which was announced shortly before the festival. In 2017, I think. Or the year before. It was announced on the day, just a few hours before. There was some thought it was going to be SFA because there were a few animal based teaser tweets sent out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweepingTheNation Posted August 6, 2019 Report Share Posted August 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Jeel said: No, they played a 'secret' Big Top set which was announced shortly before the festival. In 2017, I think. Or the year before. 2016, just after Boy King came out. They headlined in 2014. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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