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38 minutes ago, jyoung said:

Chelsea have gone from Madrid and Rome in the CL groups last year to Greece, Belarus and Hungary in the EL groups this year.

Thats a lot of long flights for Thursday night football. Do Chelsea have the squad to rotate the team?

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55 minutes ago, Dan R said:

Thats a lot of long flights for Thursday night football. Do Chelsea have the squad to rotate the team?

Like most of the big guns in the Europa in previous seasons, they will play the fringe players in the Europa until it gets interesting. 

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1 minute ago, thetime said:

Like most of the big guns in the Europa in previous seasons, they will play the fringe players in the Europa until it gets interesting. 

Im sure they'll have a enough to get out of the group, but just wondering if they can avoid it having an effect on their league performances.

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1 hour ago, Dan R said:

Thats a lot of long flights for Thursday night football. Do Chelsea have the squad to rotate the team?

It is indeed and yes but not with the strength of someone like City. Similar to Liverpool last year, strong starting line up but not a lot to turn to. If we wanted to do a complete turn around and make 11 changes we'd be looking at...

Caballero

Zappacosta - Christensen - Cahill - Emerson

RLC - Fabregas - Barkley

CHO - Giroud - Willian

Strong enough to beat the teams in the group, for sure but lots of good CL teams will drop into the Europa in the next round, so.

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Chelsea will be looking at getting back in the champions league, I presume how serious they take the Europa will be where they are in league. 

In the same way jose did when utd were languishing in 6th. 

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Liverpool have been far from convincing so far this season but still managed 4 wins. So much better in defence though, if Allison hadn't have been arsing about it would have been another clean sheet. Will be an interesting month after the international break.

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20 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

Liverpool have been far from convincing so far this season but still managed 4 wins. So much better in defence though, if Allison hadn't have been arsing about it would have been another clean sheet. Will be an interesting month after the international break.

The early part of Liverpool's season last year was pretty similar in terms of attacking play, but the defence was awful. And considering the defence is relatively young and haven't played together for long, it should improve as well. There's an awful lot of potential in this team.

Also, Gomez has been an absolute revelation at CB as well, he's looked every bit as good as van dijk this season. 

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39 minutes ago, Dan R said:

Also, Gomez has been an absolute revelation at CB as well, he's looked every bit as good as van dijk this season. 

He has indeed. It's going to be difficult for the world's best defender to get back in the team.

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3 hours ago, jyoung said:

@Hugh Jass that goal yesterday tho?!

Beautiful. I said Gayle would tear this League a new one. He stays fit and we finish top 6.

Watched the City game yesterday and thought Rondon played pretty well all things considered.

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On 8/29/2018 at 4:00 PM, thetime said:

All teams apart from City generate there own cash don’t they? You could make an argument for wolves though. 

City generate their own cash. They are running at a profit.

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20 hours ago, eastynh said:

City generate their own cash. They are running at a profit.

Squad cost 3/4 of a billion.

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16 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Squad cost 3/4 of a billion.

How much did Uniteds cost?

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11 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

#justsayin' ... again. :D

Utd, Chealski and Spuds all in the next 5 games and the other 2 are no gimmie away games too.......... 

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Watford are 201/1 for the league at the moment if anyone fancies it :lol: 

On a serious note, their start has been fantastic. I read that they've scored the joint most home points of any PL club since Javi Gracia took over. I think they were even with Liverpool and 1 above Man City. Some going that.

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2 hours ago, Gucci Piggy said:

Do City bring in as much money as United if you don't include sponsorship deals from the UAE?

Do United bring in as much money as City if you don't include sponsorship from America?

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8 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Do United bring in as much money as City if you don't include sponsorship from America?

Clearly not the same situation, the American sponsorship is due to mass market appeal, rather than any state funding. 

16 minutes ago, DareToDibble said:

Watford are 201/1 for the league at the moment if anyone fancies it :lol: 

On a serious note, their start has been fantastic. I read that they've scored the joint most home points of any PL club since Javi Gracia took over. I think they were even with Liverpool and 1 above Man City. Some going that.

Really? I thought they were awful at the end of last season, they were heading to a relegation scrap. Think they only got one win in their last ten games.

Edit. Gracia got 15 points altogether in 14 games, only one point was from an away vs Stoke. Genuinely didn't realise how good their home form is.

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Just now, Dan R said:

Clearly not the same comparison, the American sponsorship is due to mass market appeal, rather than any state funding. 

Really? I thought they were awful at the end of last season, they were heading to a relegation scrap. Think they only got one win in their last ten games.

It is exactly the same comparison. Also Manchester City were the most watched English football team in America last season. So sponsoring City is a wise investment.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-fixtures-united-america-12574078

in regards to Citys sponsorship deal with Etihad, it is now largely seen to be undervalued and Etihad got an absolutely fantastic deal. Compare that to uniteds Chevrolet deal where the guy who brokered it lost his job immediately because it was bent as fuck.

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36 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Do United bring in as much money as City if you don't include sponsorship from America?

This is the whole point that City fans don't seem to understand. United get that amount of sponsorship because of what they've achieved and the worldwide appeal they have as a result. Same to a lesser extent with the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal.

City's owners pump in money via sponsorship deals, which technically means they are self-funded, but in reality it's just outside investment in a different form.

24 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Also Manchester City were the most watched English football team in America last season. So sponsoring City is a wise investment.

Because of the success they achieved as a result of investment from the UAE, which was because they decided to use City as their plaything to pump money into...

I'm not saying it's a bad thing or anything, and I don't really care how City got their money, but they aren't self-funded.

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2 hours ago, Gucci Piggy said:

This is the whole point that City fans don't seem to understand. United get that amount of sponsorship because of what they've achieved and the worldwide appeal they have as a result. Same to a lesser extent with the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal.

City's owners pump in money via sponsorship deals, which technically means they are self-funded, but in reality it's just outside investment in a different form.

Because of the success they achieved as a result of investment from the UAE, which was because they decided to use City as their plaything to pump money into...

I'm not saying it's a bad thing or anything, and I don't really care how City got their money, but they aren't self-funded.

They are now self funded. The investment that the UAE have put in has paid off, they are now worth far more than they were initially purchased for.

Do you think United have never got investment from their owner? They were on the verge of bankruptcy and were bailed out by a guy called James W Gibson, who then bankrolled them. What they did was no different to what has happened over the last decade at City.

You are just talking utter nonsense, with absolutely no facts or figures to back up your claim. The money City now generate is fitting for the best and most entertaining team in the country. Do you think City would not get more money off an American company than what they get off Etihad?

City are a well run and managed club. The model they have used to get to their position is absolutely perfect. In all other areas, the model used would be being lauded as a perfect business plan. It is only football fans with their tribal attitudes that sneer at it.

Compare City to how the Glazers run United. United are just a cash cow, saddled with debt, who's profits are used to prop up shopping malls in Tampa.

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To say your self funded when your owners have pumped in over a billion quid is a bit far fetched isn’t it? 

You may be self funded due to tv money and sponsorship, that’s only come about due to the billion quid put in. You certainly can not say that about our lovely glazer family, to bring a owner from the 1930’s is a bit far fetched aswel. 

That being said and which I agree with easty, City is a wonderful model and how to get that part of the city redeveloped. The training ground complex is out of this world and awesome for the city on Manchester. 

Can they substain it if the owners ever pull out? Same question being asked at Chelsea and majority of clubs around the land. 

As ive said  before on here nothing wrong with owners pumping in vast amounts of cash, fans need to dream don’t they. 

Im just waiting until city get embarrassed in Europe again and easty goes missing for 6 months. 

 

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Doesn't look like the Spurs ground is going to be ready any time soon. They're moving all their Champions League home games to Wembley.

Wouldn't be surprised if it slips into 2019.

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1 minute ago, Hugh Jass said:

Doesn't look like the Spurs ground is going to be ready any time soon. They're moving all their Champions League home games to Wembley.

Wouldn't be surprised if it slips into 2019.

They should of just rented Wembley of the council, freed all them millions up for transfers. #perfectmodel

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