Football 18/19

[eFestivals]

7 hours ago, jyoung said:

Good to see Pompey back on the way up as a community club after 'Arry fucked them up.

Corrected for you.

And I see he fucked up Brum too. Never change 'Arry.  

[JSmurphy]

What a day at Wembley yesterday! Absolute limbs when Lowe dinked the 2nd in.

[jyoung]

Herrera to PSG on a free then?

[The Nal]

58 minutes ago, jyoung said:

Herrera to PSG on a free then?

Fine. Free up some wages for someone better. Hes an average enough player. 

[jyoung]

Just now, The Nal said:

Fine. Free up some wages for someone better. Hes an average enough player. 

Really? Thought United fans had been impressed with him this year?

He's on 75k and you're getting no money for him. Hardly good business is it?

[The Nal]

Just now, jyoung said:

Really? Thought United fans had been impressed with him this year?

He's on 75k and you're getting no money for him. Hardly good business is it?

Hes been alright in fits and starts but just not consistent enough. A few good games recently yeah but hes been utterly woeful at times too. Utd need someone better in there with Pogba to challenge for the league. Matic will be off too. And Sanchez. 

[DareToDibble]

21 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

I found the old firm match the most enjoyable today, not great quality but good entertainment.

Yeah same. Have to admire the levels of shithousery from Scott Brown every time I watch him play.

[pink_triangle]

A lot of discussion this weekend about how lucky Liverpool are with goalkeeping errors, I think that is more than countered by the good luck their title rivals have in terms of being able to spend significantly more money building a team/squad.

[thetime]

2 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

A lot of discussion this weekend about how lucky Liverpool are with goalkeeping errors, I think that is more than countered by the good luck their title rivals have in terms of being able to spend significantly more money building a team/squad.

Luck has a lot to do with any success, City had there’s 10 years ago with there owners. You deserve luck if you keep going for the winner, Liverpool could of quite easily settled for the point but they went for the win.

Some of the greatest achievements have a lot of luck. For example the treble season, if bergkamp scored that own in the semi. If Ruud van vistlerooy scored that pen in Arsenal’s undefeated season.

[thetime]

17 hours ago, jyoung said:

Herrera to PSG on a free then?

Only player I would be gutted at leaving would be rashford. 

[kaosmark2]

Goalkeeping errors don't happen if you don't attack. I've no belief that that is raw luck. Liverpool are obviously going to force more keeping mistakes than a mourinho team. 

[jyoung]

1 hour ago, thetime said:

Luck has a lot to do with any success, City had there’s 10 years ago with there owners. You deserve luck if you keep going for the winner, Liverpool could of quite easily settled for the point but they went for the win.

Some of the greatest achievements have a lot of luck. For example the treble season, if bergkamp scored that own in the semi. If Ruud van vistlerooy scored that pen in Arsenal’s undefeated season.

Exactly. You can make a case for and against literally every team with regards to luck. Arsenal's invincible season for instance would have looked far different if they hadn't drawn their fifth game of the season 1-1 against Portsmouth after coming from 1-0 down thanks to Pires diving for an Arsenal penalty.

Edited April 2, 2019 by jyoung

[eFestivals]

29 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Goalkeeping errors don't happen if you don't attack. I've no belief that that is raw luck. Liverpool are obviously going to force more keeping mistakes than a mourinho team. 

isn't it funny that there's been no conversation about Sterling's recent "lucky" clearly-offside goal and the other lucky goal in that match? Or the 'luck' of Fulham's defenders being shit that gifted City their goals at the weekend?

The lucky convo is one started by City fans who want to pretend that only they would be worthy winners of the league.

And of course if City win the league it'll be all about how Liverpool bottled it - and yet there's almost no-one who didn't think City would be the league winners before the season started. For no other reason than them having the best squad by far.

The real story is that Liverpool are running them closer than anyone thought would happen.

Edited April 2, 2019 by eFestivals

[kaosmark2]

16 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

isn't it funny that there's been no conversation about Sterling's recent "lucky" clearly-offside goal and the other lucky goal in that match? Or the 'luck' of Fulham's defenders being shit that gifted City their goals at the weekend?

The lucky convo is one started by City fans who want to pretend that only they would be worthy winners of the league.

And of course if City win the league it'll be all about how Liverpool bottled it - and yet there's almost no-one who didn't think City would be the league winners before the season started. For no other reason than them having the best squad by far.

The real story is that Liverpool are running them closer than anyone thought would happen.

Big teams get refereeing decisions, which is inherent official bias rather than luck. But forced errors aren't a thing of luck, it's about skill and attacking threat (both psychological and actual).

[eastynh]

27 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

isn't it funny that there's been no conversation about Sterling's recent "lucky" clearly-offside goal and the other lucky goal in that match? Or the 'luck' of Fulham's defenders being shit that gifted City their goals at the weekend?

The lucky convo is one started by City fans who want to pretend that only they would be worthy winners of the league.

And of course if City win the league it'll be all about how Liverpool bottled it - and yet there's almost no-one who didn't think City would be the league winners before the season started. For no other reason than them having the best squad by far.

The real story is that Liverpool are running them closer than anyone thought would happen.

Liverpool have been extremely fortunate in relation to dodgy decisions, lucky breaks and injuries to their key players. Yet that is not their fault. They have rode their luck and still find themselves in a position where they can win the league. They have made the best of the opportunities that have presented themselves.

If City win the league though and I think they should, it will make the achievement all the sweeter.

[eFestivals]

16 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Big teams get refereeing decisions, which is inherent official bias rather than luck. But forced errors aren't a thing of luck, it's about skill and attacking threat (both psychological and actual).

the gaffs by Fulham at the weekend weren't "forced errors". They were just those Fulham players being shit, with City able to pounce and take advantage.

But anyway I'm merely pointing out that the 'luck' convo is only about one particular team, when even your comment says it's the 'big teams' and not just one of them.

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Liverpool have been extremely fortunate in relation to dodgy decisions lucky breaks and injuries to their key players

says the guy whose team was gifted its 2 goals at the weekend, and was given a clearly-offside goal and another lucky goal in the game previous to that.

It's not one team getting all the luck.  

Edited April 2, 2019 by eFestivals

[eastynh]

9 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

says the guy whose team was gifted its 2 goals at the weekend, and was given a clearly-offside goal and another lucky goal in the game previous to that.

It's not one team getting all the luck.  

Go check the Wolves goal against us that was clearly handball, which was not given. Have Liverpool not had over 10 goals in the league given that were quite clearly offside?

If City do not win the league this season they only have themselves to blame. They have quite easily been the best team in the league. We could whinge about Liverpools luck all day long and there is no escaping the fact they have been ridiculously fortunate. Yet if Mahrez had scored that penalty then it would be game over now I reckon. It will not be Liverpools good fortune that costs us the league, but rather our own ineptitude from 12 yards out.

I still expect City to win the league though.

 

Edited April 2, 2019 by eastynh

[kaosmark2]

32 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

the gaffs by Fulham at the weekend weren't "forced errors". They were just those Fulham players being shit, with City able to pounce and take advantage.

But anyway I'm merely pointing out that the 'luck' convo is only about one particular team, when even your comment says it's the 'big teams' and not just one of them.

True enough, but Fulham have a league 1 quality defence. Hence why they're going down despite having a great forward line. 

I do think City fans whining about luck is outdated nonsense. 

[pink_triangle]

54 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Liverpool have been extremely fortunate in relation to dodgy decisions, lucky breaks and injuries to their key players. Yet that is not their fault. They have rode their luck and still find themselves in a position where they can win the league. They have made the best of the opportunities that have presented themselves.

If City win the league though and I think they should, it will make the achievement all the sweeter.

Surely City have been more fortunate having more money which means a better team and squad?

[eastynh]

2 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Surely City have been more fortunate having more money which means a better team and squad?

Someone is always going to have the most money. For the record, Liverpool spent far more money than City last season. United also have the most expensive squad, highest wage bill and most expensive player.

[thetime]

15 minutes ago, eastynh said:

 United also have the most expensive squad, highest wage bill and most expensive player.

To level it up though, we had the shit managers.

[eastynh]

5 minutes ago, thetime said:

To level it up though, we had the shit managers.

Just proves the point though, its not all down to money.

[thetime]

3 minutes ago, eastynh said:

Just proves the point though, its not all down to money.

Usually is though.

City would not be in the position they are in without  money, neither would united and Liverpool are not actually paupers in that respect. Only Spurs are over achieving in what they have spent on the squad, I certainly can't see the top 6 changing much over the coming seasons. 

[eastynh]

Just now, thetime said:

Usually is though.

City would not be in the position they are in without  money, neither would united and Liverpool are not actually paupers in that respect. Only Spurs are over achieving in what they have spent on the squad, I certainly can't see the top 6 changing much over the coming seasons. 

FFP rules now rule that out.