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1 hour ago, sisco said:

Stormzy, Gerry (for the selling factor), Y&Y

CATBM, Richard Ashcroft, Bastille

Ezra, Snow Patrol, Jess Glynne

 

IOW:

NGHFB, Courteeners, Lilly Allen

Ezra, Fatboy Slim, Bastille

Biffy, Richard Ashcroft, Jess Glynne

 

Pop tastic/Chart friendly!

 

What you're forgetting is though that IOW has turned into a medium sized festival, none of George Ezra or NGHFB would be booked to headline a major festival at this moment...in fact they aren't. Biffy is also very much on the fringes.

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2 minutes ago, thewayiam said:

What you're forgetting is though that IOW has turned into a medium sized festival, none of George Ezra or NGHFB would be booked to headline a major festival at this moment...in fact they aren't. Biffy is also very much on the fringes.

I know! Hence why TRSMT is the same.  They’re all going the mid range sort of way.  Being honest I’d say only R&L and Glastonbury are big/major festivals these days.  

 

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It kinda reminds me of T2007 (the first year it went three days) folk thought Arctic Monkeys, The Killers and Snow Patrol maybe weren't ready to step up at the time but they did fine, and in overall there was solid if unspectacular acts over the weekend to give a good balance, hopefully the undercard here does the same

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1 minute ago, Chiefski said:

It kinda reminds me of T2007 (the first year it went three days) folk thought Arctic Monkeys, The Killers and Snow Patrol maybe weren't ready to step up at the time but they did fine, and in overall there was solid if unspectacular acts over the weekend to give a good balance, hopefully the undercard here does the same

fair point with relevance to stormzy n catfish, but they’re still dredging up snow patrol... (although AM and killers were headlining last year, they’ve remained relevant for over ten years and constantly snowballed in popularity) whereas snowpatrol have done absolutely nothing worth noting   

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Snow Patrol haven’t been relevant since the late naughties. Beyond me how they can headline major festivals (although tbf they aren’t technically going to be at TRNSMT). 

Stormzy isn’t actually that good, but, if those are the headliners, then he’ll be the best act out of them. Says it all really. 

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3 minutes ago, maxdillon7 said:

fair point with relevance to stormzy n catfish, but they’re still dredging up snow patrol... (although AM and killers were headlining last year, they’ve remained relevant for over ten years and constantly snowballed in popularity) whereas snowpatrol have done absolutely nothing worth noting   

Fit into that Stereophonics category, don't they? Shouldn't be considered a headliner, but have a back catalogue and can sell a few tickets

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43 minutes ago, sisco said:

I know! Hence why TRSMT is the same.  They’re all going the mid range sort of way.  Being honest I’d say only R&L and Glastonbury are big/major festivals these days.  

 

I'm not arguing that, but surely you can't deny that if Stormzy is being booked for a mid range festival then being booked for the biggest there is to play higher than sub makes it a weak booking. What he does next year is another thing right now he's essentially playing Glastonbury off of a few nights at Brixton Academy.

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50 minutes ago, wishyboz6 said:

Snow Patrol haven’t been relevant since the late naughties. Beyond me how they can headline major festivals (although tbf they aren’t technically going to be at TRNSMT). 

Snow Patrol are probably more well known now for co writing most of Ed Sheerans songs than their own band.

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23 hours ago, Mezhyp1 said:

I know of one who they asked before but didn't want to do it for headliner, and 2 subs who were once talked about and aren't playing. 

After the lineup has been announced would you be able to explain more plz?

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7 minutes ago, didinowanttohearthat said:

After the lineup has been announced would you be able to explain more plz?

I can see them wanting Snow Patrol to headline but them declining, subs not playing any of the summer session/swg3 acts?

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1 hour ago, sisco said:

I know! Hence why TRSMT is the same.  They’re all going the mid range sort of way.  Being honest I’d say only R&L and Glastonbury are big/major festivals these days.  

 

A festival being a 'major festival' is defined by the size, not how big you reckon the headliners are. Catfish, George Ezra, Noel Gallagher, etc. are headlining major festivals, not turning major festivals into medium-sized festivals.

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16 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

A festival being a 'major festival' is defined by the size, not how big you reckon the headliners are.

if that’s the case, something like victorious (65k and rudimental headlining) would be considered “major” over something like boardmasters (50k with florence and the machine headlining) .. which doesn’t make a lot of sense in my opinion 

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1 hour ago, Chiefski said:

Fit into that Stereophonics category, don't they? Shouldn't be considered a headliner, but have a back catalogue and can sell a few tickets

i guess stereophonics had that “keep the village alive” album that gave them a new lease of headlining life

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3 minutes ago, maxdillon7 said:

if that’s the case, something like victorious (65k and rudimental headlining) would be considered “major” over something like boardmasters (50k with florence and the machine headlining) .. which doesn’t make a lot of sense in my opinion 

Exactly, and Victorious has never been classed as Major.

the only ones that I felt ever were:

Glastonbury, V Fest, R&L, IOW and T in the park

Over the last couple of years (especially this for IOW) I’d now say only Glastonbury and R&L remain 

 

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26 minutes ago, maxdillon7 said:

if that’s the case, something like victorious (65k and rudimental headlining) would be considered “major” over something like boardmasters (50k with florence and the machine headlining) .. which doesn’t make a lot of sense in my opinion 

They’re both major. Ones bigger, and one has bigger headliners. The size of the headliners aren’t even a factor.

21 minutes ago, sisco said:

Exactly, and Victorious has never been classed as Major.

the only ones that I felt ever were:

Glastonbury, V Fest, R&L, IOW and T in the park

Over the last couple of years (especially this for IOW) I’d now say only Glastonbury and R&L remain 

 

https://www.victoriousfestival.co.uk/2017/10/nominated-best-major-best-family-best-metropolitan-festival-uk-festival-awards/

Anyway, the point I’m making is that you can’t see that a festival is booking certain acts and say “nope, it’s not that those acts are big enough - the festival is getting smaller”. It’s completely avoiding the truth of the matter.

If you guys are gonna sit around saying that because Stormzy is headlining a festival alongside George Ezra makes them the same size and ergo devalues Stormzy as a Glasto headliner, I don’t really know what to say to yas.

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What is the debate in major or mid range, major is size of the festival, if theyre still successful in booking smaller acts they're still major, they're just smart. You have so many tickets you sell the same amount with a 200k headliner as you would a £2m headliner, do the math. The size of the headliner makes no odds. 

They've just wised up thst people prefer the whole line up than top heavy headliner. Some fests like Download need to book the big rock act as headliner. Global on a whole, planned their whole strategy in block bookings of artists across their fests and can attract bigger names for smaller fests raising how they are perceived, it doesn't mean bigger capacity fests are now not classed as a major fest, its just they don't NEED to shell out on huge headliners, when they still do well. Sometimes they have the artists across multi year deals sometimes to across the fests in one year, it's how Foals and two door are at loads this year by Global. 

Dentalplan totally gets it. Gaz who's has been on here for years I'm gobsmacked how stupid he comes across not understanding basic BUSINESS. End of the day all they are is a business. These fests they know what others have booked you know, they don't have to go all out on these lines up when the competition isn't. 

People keep mentioning old TITP and how stacked the line up was, how much do you think that cost, yet people will go to a fest regardless, they make money from stalls, the bars, they know they will get enough people on site to make that money, why spend millions on a line up, it's unnecessary spenditure. 

A festival remains a business no matter what. I can't see the trend changing. Days of these overstacked fests are gone. 

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1 hour ago, luckysalt said:

What is the debate in major or mid range, major is size of the festival, if theyre still successful in booking smaller acts they're still major, they're just smart. You have so many tickets you sell the same amount with a 200k headliner as you would a £2m headliner, do the math. The size of the headliner makes no odds. 

They've just wised up thst people prefer the whole line up than top heavy headliner. Some fests like Download need to book the big rock act as headliner. Global on a whole, planned their whole strategy in block bookings of artists across their fests and can attract bigger names for smaller fests raising how they are perceived, it doesn't mean bigger capacity fests are now not classed as a major fest, its just they don't NEED to shell out on huge headliners, when they still do well. Sometimes they have the artists across multi year deals sometimes to across the fests in one year, it's how Foals and two door are at loads this year by Global. 

Dentalplan totally gets it. Gaz who's has been on here for years I'm gobsmacked how stupid he comes across not understanding basic BUSINESS. End of the day all they are is a business. These fests they know what others have booked you know, they don't have to go all out on these lines up when the competition isn't. 

People keep mentioning old TITP and how stacked the line up was, how much do you think that cost, yet people will go to a fest regardless, they make money from stalls, the bars, they know they will get enough people on site to make that money, why spend millions on a line up, it's unnecessary spenditure. 

A festival remains a business no matter what. I can't see the trend changing. Days of these overstacked fests are gone. 

You have some good points but I don't think its accurate to say that festivals will always go for the cheapest acts that will sell the most tickets. So, for instance, by your logic would TRNSMT this year not just have gone for Gerry Cinnamon as headliner as he would be dirt cheap and sell a tonne of tickets?

I don't necessarily think there's been some massive shift in booking policy this year more just there isn't that many suitable headliners about. If Arctic Monkeys were about this year not last I doubt they'd not book them just cause they could book George Ezra for less and he'd still sell tickets.

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1 hour ago, didinowanttohearthat said:

You have some good points but I don't think its accurate to say that festivals will always go for the cheapest acts that will sell the most tickets. So, for instance, by your logic would TRNSMT this year not just have gone for Gerry Cinnamon as headliner as he would be dirt cheap and sell a tonne of tickets?

I don't necessarily think there's been some massive shift in booking policy this year more just there isn't that many suitable headliners about. If Arctic Monkeys were about this year not last I doubt they'd not book them just cause they could book George Ezra for less and he'd still sell tickets.

I think most fests now think one biggie is enough and the rest they can take a gamble. Like Reading with Foos. Sometimes an act might seem bigger but they will usually only spend a whack on one of the headliners. 

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5 hours ago, didinowanttohearthat said:

After the lineup has been announced would you be able to explain more plz?

Yeah sure 

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