Are Tories welcome at Glastonbury

[DJL]

18 hours ago, Zac Quinn said:

Well it's their own party's fault. No sympathy.

Well I'm certainly not losing any sleep over it!

[babyblade41]

I've just realised looking at peoples popularity votes that anyone who doesn't agree to the left wing ethos in its  entirety really are treated pretty horrible. 

The help I had as a first time attendee on the questions board was excellent but as soon as the JC comradeship is not agreed with then you are pounced on like a ton of bricks.

 

It would be interesting to see if some change their minds later on , that we will never know.

I think after a few months of what I can only call hypocrite's berating me and others is a little more than I can take.

If being a left wing supporter is all about name calling, and just plain bad manners  apart from a couple of people who will debate without resorting to the above then it's made want to turn even further away from such a party

It's been good to speak to some of you and most on the secret resale threads and WhatsApp group were wonderful 

If you feel that working hard and doing reasonably well and wanting to put family first is wrong and having a generally envious attitude to those that do come in that group then it's never going to be a party for me .

 

If I can get to Glastonbury again depending on health issues then I'd love to go but I feel some of you make it out to be some kind of hero worship festival , but to be honest you'd still get thousands going whatever as more than you think go for the music, cider and to have a right blast of a time and not to think we are following the far left mantra 

If this years showed a lot more political leaning then I wasn't aware of it and `I'm sure others weren't either 

I'll bow out now and leave some of you to agree and pat each other on the back but I like a fully rounded debate with good arguments from both and not abuse. 

Have fun and good health to you all xx

[frostypaw]

I'm really really (excuse my french) fucking sick of this stupid black and white thing that is seeing everyone at all left leaning dumped into a bin of "JC nutters" and labelled with a long long series of derogatory terms like "comradeship" and other heavily loaded communist stylings.

It then gets used in nonsense like the above to write off huge swathes of people due to the actions of a few - because those fanatics are all the same right? Even though you've no evidence that everyone you've neatly categorised is a fanatic or indeed thinks the same. It's insultingly simplistic and ridiculous - how on earth do you expect to be taken seriously? Why should anyone bother even trying to have a debate with you if you're going to treat them like that?

So bow out if you want, but be aware you look ridiculous doing it crying "woe is me" and bleating stuff about the far left. You're making a joke of yourself.

Edited July 16, 2017 by frostypaw

[Lad]

14 minutes ago, frostypaw said:

I'm really really (excuse my french) fucking sick of this stupid black and white thing that is seeing everyone at all left leaning dumped into a bin of "JC nutters" and labelled with a long long series of derogatory terms like "comradeship" and other heavily loaded communist stylings.

It then gets used in nonsense like the above to write off huge swathes of people due to the actions of a few - because those fanatics are all the same right? Even though you've no evidence that everyone you've neatly categorised is a fanatic or indeed thinks the same. It's insultingly simplistic and ridiculous - how on earth do you expect to be taken seriously? Why should anyone bother even trying to have a debate with you if you're going to treat them like that?

So bow out if you want, but be aware you look ridiculous doing it crying "woe is me" and bleating stuff about the far left. You're making a joke of yourself.

If you had any self awareness whatsoever you'd know that your post illustrates exactly what she said.

 

 

 

Arrogant,whining,self pitying,massive hypocrisy,huge self regard,it's got it all.Go you.

[frostypaw]

Just now, Lad said:

If you had any self awareness whatsoever you'd know that your post illustrates exactly what she said.

Arrogant,whining,self pitying,massive hypocrisy,huge self regard,it's got it all.Go you.

HAHAHA Oh it's you again. Have you found a dictionary to look up what "contradiction" means yet?

You can look up those other words you just used too - you'll find none of them in any way reflect that post, but I'm not sure you care - it's just about the shit slinging.

[Lad]

3 minutes ago, frostypaw said:

HAHAHA Oh it's you again. Have you found a dictionary to look up what "contradiction" means yet?

You can look up those other words you just used too - you'll find none of them in any way reflect that post, but I'm not sure you care - it's just about the shit slinging.

I'd go with a situation where inconsistent elements are present.If you genuinely don't see millionaires lecturing people about poverty as that you're simple.Its obvious to any to see these contradictions if they stepped back.

 

Don't moan about shit slinging if you're happy to do it yourself you fraud.No problem though you seem happy to get rid of some woman who as far as I can see is pleasant and harmless.As I said go you tough guy.

[Rose-Colored Boy]

Moving on

cabinet civil war continues apace in the papers this morning. Brexit is enough of a shambles without the cabinet at each other's throats over it. Disgraceful.

[arcade fireman]

5 minutes ago, Lad said:

I'd go with a situation where inconsistent elements are present.If you genuinely don't see millionaires lecturing people about poverty as that you're simple.Its obvious to any to see these contradictions if they stepped back.

 

Don't moan about shit slinging if you're happy to do it yourself you fraud.No problem though you seem happy to get rid of some woman who as far as I can see is pleasant and harmless.As I said go you tough guy.

You still don't really understand the word "contradiction". Nor have you explained this "contradiction" in any real terms, except for using a shit analogy about an alcoholic.

Who should be giving speeches about poverty? Most MPs are millionaires or at least will become so, so should they shut up about poverty? Should only poor people be talking about poverty? 

Your parents must have spent so much on your private school education for clearly such a poor end product. 

[faymondo]

Read the topic title.

Havent read anything else on the thread.

Despite joining the Labour Party to get Corbyn in as leader everybody is welcome at Glastonbury, even Tories.

But if you start giving Thatcher the big up in my presecence I will just walk away.

[frostypaw]

I'd rather she stayed, she's very welcome - the sad/silly thing is leaving because in your imagination everyone is part of some foaming at the mouth crazed left-wing mob who worship Corbyn like he's a god when I suspect that's not true of anyone here. That's just silly, and it's fair to point that out.

6 minutes ago, Zac Quinn said:

Moving on

cabinet civil war continues apace in the papers this morning. Brexit is enough of a shambles without the cabinet at each other's throats over it. Disgraceful.

Wasn't that inevitable though? They invited the wolves inside the mansion in a desperate grasp for power - they were always going to bite.

The Conservatives have always had a huge problem in that they agree on remarkably little and the hairy topics just aren't discussed until it gets to the crunch then things fall apart, or you end up with one or the other set of extremists running the show. Sadly decades of not being challenged and dismissing anyone who gets upset about the issues leaves topics unexplored, theories untested and the sharp corners unrounded by the rough and uneven surface of reality.

Personally at the moment it's sad to watch but I'm finding it hard to care - I'll be very happy if they suicide their party by following this through and watching the process should be enough to cool the brexiteers in Labour - hopefully we'll end up somewhere sensible on the other side.

[Lad]

1 minute ago, arcade fireman said:

You still don't really understand the word "contradiction". Nor have you explained this "contradiction" in any real terms, except for using a shit analogy about an alcoholic.

Who should be giving speeches about poverty? Most MPs are millionaires or at least will become so, so should they shut up about poverty? Should only poor people be talking about poverty? 

Your parents must have spent so much on your private school education for clearly such a poor end product. 

Personally I went to a RC secondary modern.I also spent many years as part of a campaign against a certain newspaper.So any preconceptions about me are a crock of shit.Id expect that though because you're dopey.If you spent any time at all actually reading anything you'd be better prepared and not post such utter shit.Even a cursory look outside your self absorption would help.

Yes it'd be miles better if the people affected by poverty were the leaders in the campaign.Or do you think it's really a job for millionaires and snots like you to bequeath justice on the lower orders?After all they should know their place shouldn't  they?Good example of the way the faux left has lost its way though so cheers to for making the point.

 

[rivalschools.price]

On 10/07/2017 at 3:40 PM, CaledonianGonzo said:

A lot of other festivals may not be 'right wing' per se, but a lot of them are beholden to commercial interests and reliant on advertising and sponsorship in order to turn a profit for the promoters.  So maybe 'capitalist' is a better descriptor.

I was at TRNSMT on Friday, and aside from the main stage the other areas are as follows:

The Jack Daniels Rocks Stage

King Tuts Stage Powered By Utilita Energy

The Smirnoff House

[Lad]

5 minutes ago, frostypaw said:

I'd rather she stayed, she's very welcome - the sad/silly thing is leaving because in your imagination everyone is part of some foaming at the mouth crazed left-wing mob who worship Corbyn like he's a god when I suspect that's not true of anyone here. That's just silly, and it's fair to point that out.

Wasn't that inevitable though? They invited the wolves inside the mansion in a desperate grasp for power - they were always going to bite.

The Conservatives have always had a huge problem in that they agree on remarkably little and the hairy topics just aren't discussed until it gets to the crunch then things fall apart, or you end up with one or the other set of extremists running the show. Sadly decades of not being challenged and dismissing anyone who gets upset about the issues leaves topics unexplored, theories untested and the sharp corners unrounded by the rough and uneven surface of reality.

Personally at the moment it's sad to watch but I'm finding it hard to care - I'll be very happy if they suicide their party by following this through and watching the process should be enough to cool the brexiteers in Labour - hopefully we'll end up somewhere sensible on the other side.

I don't regard you as anything to do with the left wing.I see you as just another middle class know it all.On these boards at least you're given the chance to play at being a socialist. 

[rivalschools.price]

Going back to the original thread question,looking at the majority of posts on here I think we can conclude that Tories aren't welcome.

To be honest, if I was a Tory this wouldn't bother me, I'd just turn up, rock out, drink beer and keep my mouth shut, I suspected a fair percentage of attendees already do

 

[arcade fireman]

5 minutes ago, Lad said:

Personally I went to a RC secondary modern.I also spent many years as part of a campaign against a certain newspaper.So any preconceptions about me are a crock of shit.Id expect that though because you're dopey.If you spent any time at all actually reading anything you'd be better prepared and not post such utter shit.Even a cursory look outside your self absorption would help.

Yes it'd be miles better if the people affected by poverty were the leaders in the campaign.Or do you think it's really a job for millionaires and snots like you to bequeath justice on the lower orders?After all they should know their place shouldn't  they?Good example of the way the faux left has lost its way though so cheers to for making the point.

 

Ah, I'd confused you with another poster on here posting similar uninformed shit actually who did attend private school - that was mistaken identity rather than a preconception. It's funny you talk about "preconceptions" and yet call me "dopey" and claim I don't read very much. A bit rich from someone whose grasp of current affairs seems to be pretty loose. 

Yes it would be great if more people from poor backgrounds helped lead these campaigns. Answer these questions though.

Why do you think not enough are doing so? Do you think it might be partly down to some of them too busy wondering how they're going to scrape together enough to pay their next bill or if their benefits might get stopped? Who is enacting these policies? Surely you must have seen plenty of those less well off leading the Grenfell protests, or did you choose to ignore that?

Whatever happens it needs politicians championing their cause too, or else very little will actually get done in Parliament. Yet the moment they do this, they'd be met by idiots like you slagging them off for the heinous crime of being both well off and giving a shit about the poor. If only the poor gave a shit about themselves and no one else bothered to stand up for them then society will have made very little progress in the last 100 years. 

I'm far from a big fan of JC, but he's better than any of the other realistic options being put forward now by a mile. 

[frostypaw]

13 minutes ago, Lad said:

I don't regard you as anything to do with the left wing.I see you as just another middle class know it all.On these boards at least you're given the chance to play at being a socialist. 

Lol

No, just no.

9 minutes ago, rivalschools.price said:

Going back to the original thread question,looking at the majority of posts on here I think we can conclude that Tories aren't welcome.

The vast majority have been welcoming, this is a huge misrepresentation of this thread. There have been maybe one or two aggressive posters at best - anyone joining at this point please don't believe this straight up and go check for yourselves. This post is intended to deceive.

[Lad]

2 minutes ago, arcade fireman said:

Ah, I'd confused you with another poster on here posting similar uninformed shit actually who did attend private school - that was mistaken identity rather than a preconception. It's funny you talk about "preconceptions" and yet call me "dopey" and claim I don't read very much. A bit rich from someone whose grasp of current affairs seems to be pretty loose. 

Yes it would be great if more people from poor backgrounds helped lead these campaigns. Answer these questions though.

Why do you think not enough are doing so? Do you think it might be partly down to some of them too busy wondering how they're going to scrape together enough to pay their next bill or if their benefits might get stopped? Who is enacting these policies? Surely you must have seen plenty of those less well off leading the Grenfell protests, or did you choose to ignore that?

Whatever happens it needs politicians championing their cause too, or else very little will actually get done in Parliament. Yet the moment they do this, they'd be met by idiots like you slagging them off for the heinous crime of being both well off and giving a shit about the poor. If only the poor gave a shit about themselves and no one else bothered to stand up for them then society will have made very little progress in the last 100 years. 

I'm far from a big fan of JC, but he's better than any of the other realistic options being put forward now by a mile. 

Yep I'm completely wrong but moving on quickly. You accused me of doing something,of being a cheerleader for a paper I hate,which had you said to my face I'd be forced to have words.At least.

 

I don't mind Corbyn.Yeah he's a hypocrite on the EU but some things are ok.If you think that the likes of Baroness Chakrabarti,Milne or a wagon full of Islington momentum types gives me confidence about poverty issues you must be flaky.To me it's a well trod career path and I don't believe or trust them.You don't think the poor care about themselves unless a millionaire shows them how?They can probably feel the good intentions flowing out of their mansions and should be very grateful.

[arcade fireman]

5 minutes ago, Lad said:

Yep I'm completely wrong but moving on quickly. You accused me of doing something,of being a cheerleader for a paper I hate,which had you said to my face I'd be forced to have words.At least.

 I'm sure I'd be scared too. You may hate the Sun due to whatever they've done in the past but a lot of your posts might as well be copied from their editorials. 

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I don't mind Corbyn.Yeah he's a hypocrite on the EU but some things are ok.If you think that the likes of Baroness Chakrabarti,Milne or a wagon full of Islington momentum types gives me confidence about poverty issues you must be flaky.To me it's a well trod career path and I don't believe or trust them.You don't think the poor care about themselves unless a millionaire shows them how?They can probably feel the good intentions flowing out of their mansions and should be very grateful.

Whataboutery. I don't really rate Chakrabarti or Milne but that has nothing to do with whether they're rich or not. 

I never said the poor don't care about themselves. Why are you making up things I've said?

I've said that without politicians and people in positions of power also supporting their cause (who are invariably well off themselves), only having the poor leading the fight won't achieve very much. And that's why it's absolutely not a contradiction that someone who is well off like JC can talk to crowds about poverty. 

JC also talked about homophobia. As a straight male, is it a contradiction for him to talk about that? How is that different to the rubbish you're suggesting?

[Lad]

11 minutes ago, arcade fireman said:

 I'm sure I'd be scared too. You may hate the Sun due to whatever they've done in the past but a lot of your posts might as well be copied from their editorials. 

Whataboutery. I don't really rate Chakrabarti or Milne but that has nothing to do with whether they're rich or not. 

I never said the poor don't care about themselves. Why are you making up things I've said?

I've said that without politicians and people in positions of power also supporting their cause (who are invariably well off themselves), only having the poor leading the fight won't achieve very much. And that's why it's absolutely not a contradiction that someone who is well off like JC can talk to crowds about poverty. 

JC also talked about homophobia. As a straight male, is it a contradiction for him to talk about that? How is that different to the rubbish you're suggesting?

You got everything wrong but in your world it's nothing and just bat on.Not really you're full of it and a simple recognition would have been better.Whether you consider yourself to be some sort of Johnny Concrete you'd have still been told.Maybe you'd have kicked off on the wrong person as is your habit.It wouldn't matter cos you've obviously got the right and the scary personna to do as you want.

 

You're still fixated on how the rich should spread their magnificence onto the poor.Its got everything to do if theyre rich and it's a career path.Nobody would  have anything waiting for some snot to do the right thing.Gotta be the right kind of rich though eh?

 

Having a go at gays now?They need someone to do the important work apparently. 

[the wonderwhy]

Did this guy miss the lesson on spaces after punctuation?  

[Lad]

7 minutes ago, MattDavies__ said:

Did this guy miss the lesson on spaces after punctuation?  

Yer must have  .

[Penrhos]

I was at the Other stage and the people behind me we booing JC and and calling him a "useless w*nker" whilst shoving white powder up their noses and being generally objectionable - I moved away disgusted by their actions.

I'm not a Labour supporter but I also think May is a disaster of a PM and is going to fuck-over the general public with a far-right agenda and a botched Brexit that'll only benefit big business while pushing normal citizens further into poverty with less rights to protest about it... 

I've always understood that Glasto was a left-wing politics based festival and for that I love it - it means it has a soul, it's worth 10 of any V, TiTp, R&L festivals where the corporate world rules 100% of what you're allowed to see/do.

I may not agree with some of the views, but I'll discuss those views with anyone and I always get out and vote.

How many of the moaners actually bothered to vote - if you don't bother to vote then don't complain.

[Mash011]

To be honest at the start of this thread I was more inclined with the 'sure, whatever' camp, but the whole thing's reminded me of how much Tories* can piss off. We should be very proud to have such a big and wonderful left wing space.

*yer ukip types can piss off too - see, it's not about parties!

Edited July 16, 2017 by Mash011

[frostypaw]

2 hours ago, Lad said:

Having a go at gays now?They need someone to do the important work apparently. 

What in the holy bejesus do you think you're saying? Are you actually reading other people's posts at all?

[warriormonk]

3 hours ago, frostypaw said:

Sadly decades of not being challenged and dismissing anyone who gets upset about the issues leaves topics unexplored, theories untested and the sharp corners unrounded by the rough and uneven surface of reality.

What a marvellous piece of prose frostypaw.  I think this be can be applied pretty much to most political discourse nowadays though...especially on social media unfortunately.  This seems have been diminished to a battle of egos, rather than a battle of ideas.  The first instinct of too many seems to be to lob personal insults rather than present a convincing counter-argument.  In fact come to think of it it's not just an online thing.  This brutishness seems to be infecting politics in general...especially 'populist' politics on both political wings.  

My view, for what it's worth, is that Glastonbury has an optimistic communal ethos where people look out for each other.  That is inherently a left wing vibe or philosophy or whatever...the feeling that the collective can do more in cooperation than it can in competition. The libertarian right would normally start from the position that human beings..in the state of nature... are hard wired to fuck each over in order to survive.  Therefore ones first duty is to look after no 1 and no 1's family.  Anything else is a luxury...a luxury that we can never afford in the mind of the average Daily Mail reader.

So yes Glastonbury is an inherently left leaning space (although you see quite a few instances of inconsiderate behaviour).  But that does not mean it should be a space for organised political groups to invade and then occupy. That would seem to be contrary to the Glastonbury spirit (as far as I have 'felt' it)  and thankfully I saw very little evidence of this in 2017.  Having said that, though, I did not seem to detect as much of a collective 'vibe' as in...say 2008.