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14 hours ago, Apone said:

Mate I'm reporting an observation, it does not imply some kind of sensitivity, like I say I was after sensible responses, further correspondence from you will be ignored unless its constructive

I've read this full thread just now and apart from seeing Corbyns speech before KC you haven't actually said what other vile or aggressive behavior you were subject to, I was at the pyramid for JC's speech and it was neither vile or aggressive, it was perfectly in tone with the views and beliefs of the festival.

So I'll ask, as others have, what vile and aggressive behavior were you subject to, I'd like a constructive response. I work with some Tory voters and any time I have a difference of opinion to them I'm accused of being aggressive so please come back with something better than people disagreeing with you and actually wanting to debate whatever you've said, you must have said something as I don't think people will have guessed you were anti Corbyn 

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1 hour ago, rivalschools.price said:

I commented on this before in the 'how did avoiding politics at Glastonbury go?'

To be clear,I'm 0% Tory but I have to agree that any Tory voters would have been intimidated had they had the bravery(stupidity?) to tell anyone who their political preference was.

If anyone had done an experiment and filmed themselves wearing a pro-Tory T shirt all weekend then I think Glastonbury's peace and love image would have been tarnished forever.

Ironically, some of the replies on this thread claiming that people wouldn't have been treated aggressively were agressive themselves.

I felt that both at Download and Glastonbury, the bands were getting easy wins by getting the crowds onside by Tory bashing (if they were so political,why only have it part of your act when the election is in?).

Enter Shikari don't wait until election time to put forward their labour views, they are openly and consistently Labour all year round. Some of the bands playing the festivals just jumped on the bandwagon and the Jeremy Corbin chant was reduced to the 'buttscratcher' style chants of some other festivals.

I guarantee that there was a fair percentage of Tory voters at the festival, it's just that they didn't feel comfortable saying it and this is the only reason we haven't heard any stories about 'vile,aggressive,threatening behaviour', not because Glastonbury goers are tolerant and welcoming of all.

My personal view is that all should be welcome at Glastonbury,whatever your creed,colour,race,religion,sexuality and political view

I was a tory voter at Glastonbury but I didn't notice too much of a political slant apart from the JC event.  If I'd been asked I would have told them and have no problem with my voting.. it's what I believe.  If I had been abused or even worse threatened it would Harden my resolve to stay tory even more if that's how someone has to show their opinion towards me ..they lose all credibility 

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5 hours ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

This tendency to treat politics as a theoretical zero sum game that has no actual impact on people's lives is another reason why people hate the Tories.

That's genuinely how they see it though - either because they are sufficiently well off that it really does make no difference to them outside of how much of their wealth is taxed, or because they've swallowed the lie that's been force fed to them for so long and happy to let the status quo run on.

And there's Nothing good about that.

Also I love how their story changes so dramatically from "May has been strong and stable and we'll crush Labour" to "oh it was obviously the poorest campaign ever and that Labour didn't trounce us proves they're useless" - it literally does not matter what is up or down or blue or fish the only important thing is Labour is bad bad bad bad bad. It's one non-stop PR exercise and I don't think they've clicked that it's not washing anymore - people had been swallowing it for so long then during the campaigns they got to actually listen to the other side and they finally noticed the smell

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I haven't read through this thread in its entirety so I'm likely to be repeating what has been said, but the frustration of hearing these same things over and over its getting so tiresome. 

 

It hasn't been hijacked by politics or the left wing, it's always  been that way, it started that waY. 

 

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It's getting really boring to hear people call out the apparent hypocrisy of people at Glastonbury being "middle class" etc etc , when in actuality you only need to have set aside £30 a month from sale date in October to balance due in April. Children even go free! I understand that what constitutes as a lot of money to put away each month / week is subjective, but if you decide as many do that you'll like to go the summer previous, it isn't much to put away occasionally. 

Obviously luxury camping exists, but that's s discussion in itself and doesn't reflect the majority of people there. 

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3 hours ago, Ommadawn said:

No - a pretty mediocre performance against a Conservative government which basically imploded and had one of the worst campaigns in living memory. Look a the figures. Labour barely did better than Ed Milliband in the last election which was largely considered a failure (cos like JC, he lost).

The largest increase in the Labour vote since the war. 

Theresa May called the election because she expected a hugely increased majority. She lost her majority in eight weeks.

Taken in context it was a great result and I have no doubts if there's another election this year we'll see a Labour majority.

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19 hours ago, Apone said:

Just wondering because as I wandered around what struck me was the amount of vile,abusive,threatening and downright aggressive anti Tory messaging I have ever seen at the festival, In my view it was my favourite of the 6 I've been to in every way,bands,DJs,weather,side attractions,food, Thatchers cider (yummy!) but not the politics which was just everywhere this year. I totally get that Glastonbury is a left leaning festival, thats fine but does this leftness just have to be so damn aggressive and toxic. Seems the original Glasto ethos of peace,love, harmony has been completely lost in aggressive Momentum style Left wing rhetoric. This was compounded by Corbyn crashing the Glasto crowd, claim them as his own and practically blaming rich evil Tories for killing everyone at Grenfell,this a  spectacle I was forced to watch whilst awaiting the arrival of the Kaiser Chiefs on the Other Stage. It is a pity as Tory supporters prob make up a massive proportion of the Glasto festival goers, and if they're not welcome then presumably neither is their money and Glasto can just become a giant version of the Leftield stage.  

Sensible replies please

There was no vile, abusive, threatening and downright aggressive anti Tory messaging. You are imaging that. I met a self declared 100K earning Tory at 6:30 am Saturday in Shangri La and politely explained to him that if the top rate of income tax was nudged up to 60% territory, he would still be fucking rich, but little kids in school would therefore get a decent education. Win Win.

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3 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

But you have to admit it's a better performance than anyone was predicting when the election was called?

Happy to admit that, yes. But whether that's due to improvements in Labour's performance or to the Tory's abject failure of a campaign in open to question.

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2 hours ago, Mr.Tease said:

Labour now ahead of the Tories in the polls- they had a huge upward swing during the election but ran out of time. You're being ridiculous by pretending there's nothing going on at the moment and nothing was achieved. 

Surely the object of holding a General Election is to win it. Labour lost so nothing lasting was achieved.

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4 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

Happy to admit that, yes. But whether that's due to improvements in Labour's performance or to the Tory's abject failure of a campaign in open to question.

Both is a thing.

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18 minutes ago, bamber said:

There was no vile, abusive, threatening and downright aggressive anti Tory messaging. You are imaging that. I met a self declared 100K earning Tory at 6:30 am Saturday in Shangri La and politely explained to him that if the top rate of income tax was nudged up to 60% territory, he would still be fucking rich, but little kids in school would therefore get a decent education. Win Win.

Well done for politely explaining,that's the real spirit of the festival,but I suspect that many wouldn't have delivered the message in the same way

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4 minutes ago, rivalschools.price said:

Well done for politely explaining,that's the real spirit of the festival,but I suspect that many wouldn't have delivered the message in the same way

You're wrong - I've seen this play out thousands of times over the years of going and I've never ever seen anyone turn vile, abusive, threatening and downright aggressive. 

It really does just honk of how much of the Tory Right Wing live in a little bubble echo chamber where they're never challenged, it's just not acceptable dinner table conversation. Get out into a field and break that taboo and everyone's jumping on their chairs, screaming and clinging onto their pantyhose.

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3 minutes ago, rivalschools.price said:

Well done for politely explaining,that's the real spirit of the festival,but I suspect that many wouldn't have delivered the message in the same way

I've been going to the festival since 1981 when I was 16. Nothing changes regarding the political message. Tory voters' narrow self interest is as easily demolished now as it was then.

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3 hours ago, Quark said:

It's a shame that Tories would go to a festival rooted in left wing politics and feel unwelcome, and I sympathise.  I recently bought a copy of Tractors Weekly magazine only to find it full of stuff about tractors. I was gutted.

I think the vast majority of people go simply because it's a best festival in the World and most of them would have no idea of the political leanings of the festival or it's history. That's very sad but true. I tried explaining it to a group of youngsters but was just met with blank looks.

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3 hours ago, Zac Quinn said:

Everybody is welcome. But if you choose to vote for a party that furthers the endeavours of the rich at the expense of anyone remotely ordinary, then being pushed into feeling ashamed about it is the least you deserve.

Being pushed into being ashamed of your beliefs political or other is being made to feel unwelcome.

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2 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

I think the vast majority of people go simply because it's a best festival in the World and most of them would have no idea of the political leanings of the festival or it's history. That's very sad but true. I tried explaining it to a group of youngsters but was just met with blank looks.

Blank looks inspire future radicals. Nothing is wasted at Glastonbury. It politicised me.

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3 hours ago, Mr.Tease said:

Labour now ahead of the Tories in the polls- they had a huge upward swing during the election but ran out of time. You're being ridiculous by pretending there's nothing going on at the moment and nothing was achieved. 

The huge upward swing was largely due to the Tory's appalling campaign. Labour being ahead in the polls now means diddly squat

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3 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

Being pushed into being ashamed of your beliefs political or other is being made to feel unwelcome.

You are not your beliefs. You're a whole person - your political beliefs are a tiny tiny fraction of that and subject to change.

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12 hours ago, Ommadawn said:

But sadly you still lost (maybe not quite as badly but still ....)

Yup be we got a result that was against what was expected, which will always create a greater reaction in the crowd. For example, had remain won last year, I really don't think we would have seen huge celebrations on site for it.

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38 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

Being pushed into being ashamed of your beliefs political or other is being made to feel unwelcome.

If exposing someone's political beliefs for what they are makes them feel uncomfortable then maybe they should look at why that is and whether deep down they know they're wrong.

If a Tory took me to task about my socialist beliefs I wouldn't feel remotely ashamed.

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1 hour ago, Ommadawn said:

Surely the object of holding a General Election is to win it. Labour lost so nothing lasting was achieved.

Except the Torys lost their majority and their chance to push through their hideous manifesto. 

People need to remember the election was called to put an end to Corbyn, this was the election that the Torys would wipe the floor with Labour, the would leave them leaderless, splintered and a laughing stock. She really thought she was going to be Maggie Thatcher mark 2 and do whatever she wanted, but if you see it as nothing lasting achieved then fair enough 

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7 minutes ago, theevilfridge said:

If exposing someone's political beliefs for what they are makes them feel uncomfortable then maybe they should look at why that is and whether deep down they know they're wrong.

If a Tory took me to task about my socialist beliefs I wouldn't feel remotely ashamed.

Quoted for truth - that's the whole point right there. 

Pointing out the cruel flaws in someone's political spiel isn't acceptable polite conversation, something I've been told a few times as if that means folk should get a free pass for believing horrific things, but it's the only way beliefs are tested. The left (on the whole) revel in it, but it's unacceptable to the right and seen as an affront - i think through no malice on the whole, just that twitch instinct fight reaction 

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I'm not sure how the "losing good" has become the new "winning" If Labour were so successful why aren't they in No 10...? whether you do better than  anyone before still it's the same outcome isn't it?, a loss is a loss no matter how well you did or were expected to do.

It's like saying Arsenal in the FA Cup final against Sutton United ... Sutton score first then are beaten 5-1, they did well to get a goal first but they still lost and Arsenal win the trophy.

I'd be looking at how the worst possible tory campaign ever JC could still lose by quite a bit 

(puts my tin hat on and takes cover )

 

JC is knocking on so given there wont be another election for a while and just for arguments sake he was still labour leader , does anyone think that he will still be able to carry on as PM then ?? I'd expect you to be looking for a replacement and he still has the centre left to deal with ..not all are behind his ideologies 

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