The stone roses

[Hugh Jass]

14 minutes ago, GlastoEls said:

Just to play devil's advocate here, why are we to assume that Glastonbury should be special for every single artist to the point where they sacrifice 'the going rate' for the perceived honour of doing it?

At what point is Glastonbury just a gig?

Even from a purely business perspective it's more than just a gig though. It's an opportunity to play a set that will be broadcast live to millions worldwide. The money that stands to be made from a successful show outstrips any shortfall in fee, which is why I never understand the short sightedness of some acts. If you're only after the money then it makes more sense to headline Glastonbury.

They've already got their sold out shows next year, a headline show at GF is a cherry on top for minimal extra effort.

[EamerRed]

1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said:

I can understand (if not excuse) the cash grab attitude in the first and possibly second year of their return. They'd been away for nearly 20 years there was massive demand for their shows, you can see why they'd want to cash in on it.

But next year is five years since they've returned, they've released two new songs in that time - one average, one terrible, and yet they're still churning out the same basic show we saw in Heaton Park and demanding top dollar to play anywhere.

Fuck 'em.

Basically this, and I love the Roses . The only thing I'd disagree with is the 'one average and one terrible' part. I think Beautiful Thing is an absolute belter. But it definitely feels like they're taking the piss now.

25 minutes ago, The Nal said:

When you're not live on the Beeb. The hike in record sales after bands are on telly is huge. The Who had a 1000% increase the next day or something, Lionel Richies set got him to #1 and so on. 

This is true but bands don't make money on records like they do on gigs. Even with the record sales added on top of a Glasto fee, it's going to be less than doing the gig at Wembley for example. There will always be a massive increase after headlining, as prior to Glasto the albums will just be selling at their usual bare minimum run-rate as they're so old. So as huge as a 1,000% increase sounds, they probably were selling bugger all (relatively speaking of course) beforehand.

Edited December 12, 2016 by EamerRed

[justperfect]

I think everyone who wants the bands only two albums would have them in their collection by now. It's not as if they have an extensive back catalogue to flog

[Homer]

7 minutes ago, justperfect said:

I think everyone who wants the bands only two albums would have them in their collection by now. It's not as if they have an extensive back catalogue to flog

Sales of All For One and the other even shitter one could go through the roof though (unless they actually bother to play them).

[EamerRed]

Tbf there's about 3 albums worth of material out there. Turns Into Stone has a few songs which should easily have made the first album.

And btw..

https://www.instagram.com/p/BN6zy3ShcFB/

[Homer]

10 minutes ago, EamerRed said:

Tbf there's about 3 albums worth of material out there. Turns Into Stone has a few songs which should easily have made the first album.

And btw..

https://www.instagram.com/p/BN6zy3ShcFB/

 

Good to see his dancing has improved, any chance he could work on the singing now?

[The Nal]

31 minutes ago, EamerRed said:

Basically this, and I love the Roses . The only thing I'd disagree with is the 'one average and one terrible' part. I think Beautiful Thing is an absolute belter. But it definitely feels like they're taking the piss now.

This is true but bands don't make money on records like they do on gigs. Even with the record sales added on top of a Glasto fee, it's going to be less than doing the gig at Wembley for example. There will always be a massive increase after headlining, as prior to Glasto the albums will just be selling at their usual bare minimum run-rate as they're so old. So as huge as a 1,000% increase sounds, they probably were selling bugger all (relatively speaking of course) beforehand.

I agree yeah but its a sad short term view from the bands. Taking the quick buck and running. Getting an album to number 1 with a whole new group of fans aswell is fairly priceless. Chance to showcase the live show too and promote the tour. Even the Stones have had a career rejuvenation since they played. They've barely been off the road since.

 

26 minutes ago, justperfect said:

I think everyone who wants the bands only two albums would have them in their collection by now. It's not as if they have an extensive back catalogue to flog

Thats exactly the point though. No one wanted Lionel Richies greatest hits until he nailed the Legends Slot. Suddenly tens of thousands of people realised they wanted it and wanted to see him live. Lionel was Billy Big Balls selling out his tour.

Walking into sold out arenas like this guy.

 

[fatyeti24]

1 hour ago, ClementsMike said:

What did he say about new music? 

"Sorry"

 

Or do you mean unreleased stuff?

[ClementsMike]

11 minutes ago, fatyeti24 said:

"Sorry"

 

Or do you mean unreleased stuff?

[eastynh]

They have become a parody of the band they once were and everything they stood for. 

All of them apart from Reni have played the festival for far less money than they would get for headlining. Plus they would have been getting far less cash back when they were originally billed to headline and had to pull out.

Fuck them, they are the luckiest band on the planet. How on earth they have rises to god like status off the back of around 18 good songs is beyond me.

If ever a band was lucky enough to have been in the right place at the right time, it is them. Mani seems sound as fuck and Reni just keeps out the way. No time for the other 2. Squire is a hypocrit and Brown is a gobby little bastard who's full of shit. He talked the talk and its all turned out to be bollocks. Its alright him threatening to chop off a air stewerdess' hands off but not got the bottle to perform on stage at the worlds biggest and best festival.

Bunch of money grabbing fuckers who are happy to fleece their fans out of as much as possible.

They wanna be adored? They have done nothing to deserve any adoration since 1989. The last time The Stone Roses were any good was when Liverpool were good at football. 

[eFestivals]

2 hours ago, GlastoEls said:

Just to play devil's advocate here, why are we to assume that Glastonbury should be special for every single artist to the point where they sacrifice 'the going rate' for the perceived honour of doing it? 

At what point is Glastonbury just a gig?

I don't think it should be special - tho I think it's fair to say that the Roses owe Glasto one for their 1995(?) cancellation.

But really, it seems like they're looking at Glastonbury as a fall-back - which is fine, they're entitled to do that - but I think Glastonbury should be taking that into account, too

So if/when the Roses do say they'll do it, Glastonbury turn round and say (for example) "great, tho it's only £250k now". If the Roses will only do Glastonbury when they're worth less, then I think Glastonbury should be offering them less because they're worth less. Simples.

[Alan_C]

53 minutes ago, eastynh said:

They have become a parody of the band they once were and everything they stood for. 

All of them apart from Reni have played the festival for far less money than they would get for headlining. Plus they would have been getting far less cash back when they were originally billed to headline and had to pull out.

Fuck them, they are the luckiest band on the planet. How on earth they have rises to god like status off the back of around 18 good songs is beyond me.

If ever a band was lucky enough to have been in the right place at the right time, it is them. Mani seems sound as fuck and Reni just keeps out the way. No time for the other 2. Squire is a hypocrit and Brown is a gobby little bastard who's full of shit. He talked the talk and its all turned out to be bollocks. Its alright him threatening to chop off a air stewerdess' hands off but not got the bottle to perform on stage at the worlds biggest and best festival.

Bunch of money grabbing fuckers who are happy to fleece their fans out of as much as possible.

They wanna be adored? They have done nothing to deserve any adoration since 1989. The last time The Stone Roses were any good was when Liverpool were good at football. 

I thought you were buying tickets to see them last week? 

[eastynh]

25 minutes ago, Alan_C said:

I thought you were buying tickets to see them last week? 

I am going to see them at Wembley mate. It is idiots like me, you and others on here who will graft like fuck, do untold hours of overtime to pay for such trips, while they are lording it up at thire farm houses in France.

It just sickens me to hear they won't play the festival because it does not pay enough. That kind of attitude goes against everything they represented.

Just look at their lemon logo, it is the symbol that represents them. Yet they pinched it from all the students who were rioting in France during the civil unrest of 68 (they sucked on Lemons to nullify the effects of tear gas).

The students were protesting against capitapism and consumerism. Yet here are the Roses using that same symbol for their own benefit. Here they are using that anti capitalist logo in an effort to get £80 a pop out of us to hear them sing the same songs. It is just totally disgusting imo. 

After all the bollocks they have talked over the years it is a real kick in the bollocks.

To put it into context. Here are these 4 turning their noses up at 400 grand. Even after paying the tax man and expenses, if they still pocketed 40 grand each for 90 minutes work, it is not bad going. 40 grand is a life changing amount for most of us. Then you have someone like Tony Wilson who achieved far more than the Stone Roses. The poor bastard died of cancer at an early age. He could not afford to pay for drugs which could have extended his life. He created history not money. The Roses have the chance to create history on top of all the money they have earnt. Yet the greedy bastards still want more.

At least the Pistols admitted what they were doing. The Roses are just full of shit.

Its not the beach under their paving stones, it is all the cash they are hoarding and that goes against every principal that little lemon symbol is meant to represent.

[EamerRed]

I'm finding myself wanting to write a massively opposing post, and yet, despite it being needlessly over-aggressive, I find myself agreeing 

[Hugh Jass]

6 minutes ago, eastynh said:

I am going to see them at Wembley mate. It is idiots like me, you and others on here who will graft like fuck, do untold hours of overtime to pay for such trips, while they are lording it up at thire farm houses in France.

It just sickens me to hear they won't play the festival because it does not pay enough. That kind of attitude goes against everything they represented.

Just look at their lemon logo, it is the symbol that represents them. Yet they pinched it from all the students who were rioting in France during the civil unrest of 68 (they sucked on Lemons to nullify the effects of tear gas).

The students were protesting against capitapism and consumerism. Yet here are the Roses using that same symbol for their own benefit. Here they are using that anti capitalist logo in an effort to get £80 a pop out of us to hear them sing the same songs. It is just totally disgusting imo. 

After all the bollocks they have talked over the years it is a real kick in the bollocks.

To put it into context. Here are these 4 turning their noses up at 400 grand. Even after paying the tax man and expenses, if they still pocketed 40 grand each for 90 minutes work, it is not bad going. 40 grand is a life changing amount for most of us. Then you have someone like Tony Wilson who achieved far more than the Stone Roses. The poor bastard died of cancer at an early age. He could not afford to pay for drugs which could have extended his life. He created history not money. The Roses have the chance to create history on top of all the money they have earnt. Yet the greedy bastards still want more.

At least the Pistols admitted what they were doing. The Roses are just full of shit.

Its not the beach under their paving stones, it is all the cash they are hoarding and that goes against every principal that little lemon symbol is meant to represent.

Hear hear!

[FuzzyDunlop]

I went to Heaton Park as it was an event.

I went to The Etihad as I believed there would be new music,.... that is me done for the roses now. I'll listen to the new stuff if it ever arrives. If it does and I like it - I'd be there again, but I can't say I want to spend that money on stuff I've heard a lot and seen them do before.

I'm going to see Guns and Roses as again, it could well be an event from a band I grew up listening to. That would be my only time seeing them.

[wirralchris]

4 hours ago, ClementsMike said:

What did he say about new music? 

Nothing sadly, but that may be down to the fact that I'm a total knob and never even thought about asking him.

I regretted not popping that question on my way home.

 

[wirralchris]

9 minutes ago, FuzzyDunlop said:

I went to Heaton Park as it was an event.

I went to The Etihad as I believed there would be new music,.... that is me done for the roses now. I'll listen to the new stuff if it ever arrives. If it does and I like it - I'd be there again, but I can't say I want to spend that money on stuff I've heard a lot and seen them do before.

I'm going to see Guns and Roses as again, it could well be an event from a band I grew up listening to. That would be my only time seeing them.

Heaton Park failed to impress me tbf! Swerved the Etihad as it was so close to Glastonbury and I'd been to the ACDC gig the week before

 

[thewayiam]

 

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

I don't think it should be special - tho I think it's fair to say that the Roses owe Glasto one for their 1995(?) cancellation.

But really, it seems like they're looking at Glastonbury as a fall-back - which is fine, they're entitled to do that - but I think Glastonbury should be taking that into account, too

So if/when the Roses do say they'll do it, Glastonbury turn round and say (for example) "great, tho it's only £250k now". If the Roses will only do Glastonbury when they're worth less, then I think Glastonbury should be offering them less because they're worth less. Simples.

Glasto probably know due to money with some bands they are the last and fall-back option.

We know it won't work like that but I do agree. I still think after selling out Wembley quick and Manchester very quick again they could come back in 09 again and still be wanted.

33 minutes ago, eastynh said:

I am going to see them at Wembley mate. It is idiots like me, you and others on here who will graft like fuck, do untold hours of overtime to pay for such trips, while they are lording it up at thire farm houses in France.

It just sickens me to hear they won't play the festival because it does not pay enough. That kind of attitude goes against everything they represented.

Just look at their lemon logo, it is the symbol that represents them. Yet they pinched it from all the students who were rioting in France during the civil unrest of 68 (they sucked on Lemons to nullify the effects of tear gas).

The students were protesting against capitapism and consumerism. Yet here are the Roses using that same symbol for their own benefit. Here they are using that anti capitalist logo in an effort to get £80 a pop out of us to hear them sing the same songs. It is just totally disgusting imo. 

After all the bollocks they have talked over the years it is a real kick in the bollocks.

To put it into context. Here are these 4 turning their noses up at 400 grand. Even after paying the tax man and expenses, if they still pocketed 40 grand each for 90 minutes work, it is not bad going. 40 grand is a life changing amount for most of us. Then you have someone like Tony Wilson who achieved far more than the Stone Roses. The poor bastard died of cancer at an early age. He could not afford to pay for drugs which could have extended his life. He created history not money. The Roses have the chance to create history on top of all the money they have earnt. Yet the greedy bastards still want more.

At least the Pistols admitted what they were doing. The Roses are just full of shit.

Its not the beach under their paving stones, it is all the cash they are hoarding and that goes against every principal that little lemon symbol is meant to represent.

The Roses haven't denied what they are doing though. It is up to them surely if they see Glasto as their final but last opportunity, they are entitled to do that.

[Gucci Piggy]

Gazza you do realise 09 means 2009, don't you?

[Woffy]

3 minutes ago, Will-2609 said:

Gazza you do realise 09 means 2009, don't you?

Yeah. I wondered what the fuck that was about. 

 

I think I'm done the Roses now. This whole conversation with Mani thing aside, they've pretty much undone any setting aside of Squire's statement on his artwork by ruining (for me) the goodwill and excitement and reliving of youth generated around the time of Shane Meadows film. 

It's just dragging on and being disgustingly drawn out, like having difficulty trying to shit out an expensive meal. I dunno if we're still wiping the last overpriced turd or wiping the head of the next one. 

[thewayiam]

1 hour ago, Woffy said:

Yeah. I wondered what the fuck that was about. 

 

I think I'm done the Roses now. This whole conversation with Mani thing aside, they've pretty much undone any setting aside of Squire's statement on his artwork by ruining (for me) the goodwill and excitement and reliving of youth generated around the time of Shane Meadows film. 

It's just dragging on and being disgustingly drawn out, like having difficulty trying to shit out an expensive meal. I dunno if we're still wiping the last overpriced turd or wiping the head of the next one. 

The only reason I'm annoyed at your reply is because I had to see Wills stupid comment. 

[Woffy]

14 minutes ago, thewayiam said:

The only reason I'm annoyed at your reply is because I had to see Wills stupid comment. 

The comment that was directly above my reply? 

[eastynh]

2 hours ago, thewayiam said:

 

Glasto probably know due to money with some bands they are the last and fall-back option.

We know it won't work like that but I do agree. I still think after selling out Wembley quick and Manchester very quick again they could come back in 09 again and still be wanted.

The Roses haven't denied what they are doing though. It is up to them surely if they see Glasto as their final but last opportunity, they are entitled to do that.

Mate the Stone Roses are more than entitled to do what ever they want. That does not mean they should not be criticised for hypocritical behaviour.

Ian Brown preaches peace and love. His sings about all holding hands. His heros are Bruce Lee and Bob Marley. Yet this is a man who was sent to prison for threating a female air stewerd on a plane.

There there is John Squire with his infamous paiting about never reforming the Roses.

Now we have them telling fans Glastonbury does not pay enough while using anti capitalist symbols to promote their own extortionately priced gigs. The irony there is Glasto is seen as being anti capitalist and anti commercialist. Yet for the band who seem to think they stand for the same principals, the festival does not pay enough.

[Purple aki squat]

5 hours ago, eastynh said:

They have become a parody of the band they once were and everything they stood for. 

All of them apart from Reni have played the festival for far less money than they would get for headlining. Plus they would have been getting far less cash back when they were originally billed to headline and had to pull out.

Fuck them, they are the luckiest band on the planet. How on earth they have rises to god like status off the back of around 18 good songs is beyond me.

If ever a band was lucky enough to have been in the right place at the right time, it is them. Mani seems sound as fuck and Reni just keeps out the way. No time for the other 2. Squire is a hypocrit and Brown is a gobby little bastard who's full of shit. He talked the talk and its all turned out to be bollocks. Its alright him threatening to chop off a air stewerdess' hands off but not got the bottle to perform on stage at the worlds biggest and best festival.

Bunch of money grabbing fuckers who are happy to fleece their fans out of as much as possible.

They wanna be adored? They have done nothing to deserve any adoration since 1989. The last time The Stone Roses were any good was when Liverpool were good at football. 

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