Lineup 2018

[UndergroundSound]

2 minutes ago, Chinaski_ said:

I don't see why females can't be inspired to play the guitar by males and vice versa and I know plenty of females in punk bands before you say I don't know what I'm on about. 

that just isn't the point anyone's making at all.

[Hawky]

We can help. 

Look on spotify, as I have, and actively seek out up and coming bands, that's what I'm focusing on atm. Not all of them have female members, but find new music and share It, regardless! 

We are the listeners after all, more fans, more exposure and hopefully more bookings. 

For instance this is my playlist:

Up and coming

[throstle]

4 minutes ago, Jack w said:

but it's more of an issue than just what you like. Your opinion is completely fair enough but in general, there isn't enough "good music" from females getting booked at festivals which is what needs to be changed. The problem is that there are no way near enough females playing or getting noticed for their guitar music and this is because, as it has been mentioned, it is not as stereotypically "normal" for girls, and it was never encouraged in the past. This could be helped change by festivals booking more female involved acts who could easily play in the same slot as one of the many pure male acts. Even if some people who don't "like female vocals" aren't happy to start with, its a bit of a sacrifice that would need to be made as it is a problem that needs to be changed. In the future festivals should be nearly equally male and female because there is no reason why either gender would be more or less into guitar music or whatever the genre is when stereotypes are removed.

I do see where you're coming from, and agree that it wasn't encouraged enough in the past- if you're good at something, there should be no reason as to why you can't do it. Again, my view is that gender shouldn't be the deciding factor in booking an act. In 2018, an act will be noticed and given the opportunities & attention they deserve regardless of their gender, and rightly so. That might not have been the case in the past unfortunately, but I'm certain that it is now. 

[Rhysob99]

wireless, download (and possibly Park life, early next week) have announcements out this week. Surely r&l have to bring out an announcement very soon to keep up with these festivals?? Because myself included and a lot of my friends are considering just turning our heads at other festivals and I’m sure a lot of other people will if It does drag a lot longer until we find out the line up :@ 

Edited January 23, 2018 by Rhysob99

[Hawky]

7 minutes ago, Chinaski_ said:

I don't see why females can't be inspired to play the guitar by males and vice versa and I know plenty of females in punk bands before you say I don't know what I'm on about. 

 

[Chinaski_]

1 minute ago, throstle said:

 In 2018, an act will be noticed and given the opportunities & attention they deserve regardless of their gender, and rightly so. That might not have been the case in the past unfortunately, but I'm certain that it is now. 

The '90s as well they were a plethora of female fronted bands and female bands. Maybe that's why its never been an issue to me, because I grew up with it as normal. The 00s were far more male dominated in terms of the mainstream however. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, throstle said:

I do see where you're coming from, and agree that it wasn't encouraged enough in the past- if you're good at something, there should be no reason as to why you can't do it. Again, my view is that gender shouldn't be the deciding factor in booking an act. In 2018, an act will be noticed and given the opportunities & attention they deserve regardless of their gender, and rightly so. That might not have been the case in the past unfortunately, but I'm certain that it is now. 

How can you say you're certain that it's the case now when the Wireless lineup currently only features 3 female acts and all previous R&L lineups have had a huge gender imbalance. That can't be purely because everyone is on a level playing field and only the best acts are getting booked.

[Gucci Piggy]

1 minute ago, throstle said:

I do see where you're coming from, and agree that it wasn't encouraged enough in the past- if you're good at something, there should be no reason as to why you can't do it. Again, my view is that gender shouldn't be the deciding factor in booking an act. In 2018, an act will be noticed and given the opportunities & attention they deserve regardless of their gender, and rightly so. That might not have been the case in the past unfortunately, but I'm certain that it is now. 

I highly doubt that's the case. I reckon your typical 30 year old parents with a young child would still be more likely to encourage a son to take up drumming than a daughter.

That's because there's a perception that big rockstars are men. Major festivals such as R&L are in one of the best positions to try to begin to address that balance.

If nobody tries to do anything then nothing's going to change. In 50 years there'll still only be one or two suitable R&L headliners with female members and we'll still have awful all-male acts near the top of lineups, whilst supremely talented female rock musicians will have been wasted by not being given encouragement to pursue their dream of being a rockstar or given opportunities to showcase that talent.

[Chinaski_]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's nothing promoting the alternative culture, where a lot of female bands/artists exist, like there was in the 90s and even 80s on tv. Reading doesn't go near these kind of bands anymore either sadly. 

[moams]

4 minutes ago, Gucci Piggy said:

I highly doubt that's the case. I reckon your typical 30 year old parents with a young child would still be more likely to encourage a son to take up drumming than a daughter.

That's because there's a perception that big rockstars are men. Major festivals such as R&L are in one of the best positions to try to begin to address that balance.

If nobody tries to do anything then nothing's going to change. In 50 years there'll still only be one or two suitable R&L headliners with female members and we'll still have awful all-male acts near the top of lineups, whilst supremely talented female rock musicians will have been wasted by not being given encouragement to pursue their dream of being a rockstar or given opportunities to showcase that talent.

I think it would more likely be down to a guy wanting to be a drummer more than a girl not down to encouragement of parents. There is loads of decent female fronted bands and bands with female members out there but I feel this whole situation has been blown completely out of proportion. 

[UndergroundSound]

1 minute ago, moams said:

I think it would more likely be down to a guy wanting to be a drummer more than a girl not down to encouragement of parents. There is loads of decent female fronted bands and bands with female members out there but I feel this whole situation has been blown completely out of proportion. 

but why would a guy want to be drummer more than a girl? that's the point. Remove all stereotypes and encouragement and there's no reason why one gender should want to be a drummer more than the other.

[Chinaski_]

1 minute ago, Jack w said:

but why would a guy want to be drummer more than a girl? that's the point. Remove all stereotypes and encouragement and there's no reason why one gender should want to be a drummer more than the other.

Who says that's the case? 

[Hawky]

This is Efestivals at it's finest.

[Alex DeLarge]

I don't see what the problem would be if they booked: Wolf Alice, Marmozets, M.I.A., The Big Moon, Pale Waves, Die Antwoord, Tonight Alive, Little Simz, Nadia Rose, Lady Leshurr, Alvvays, Mitski, Angel Olsen, Kelela, St. Vincent, Haim, Los Campesinos!, Against Me!, Warpaint, Annie Mac, Grimes, Charli XCX, even though I don't like a lot of those acts they all appeal to the typical R+L crowd and have a lot of fans. I just listed these out to show there are R+L friendly acts out there yet every year we get Catfish, The Hunna, The Sherlocks and loads of other landfill shite made by men.

[Gucci Piggy]

5 minutes ago, Chinaski_ said:

The '90s as well they were a plethora of female fronted bands and female bands. Maybe that's why its never been an issue to me, because I grew up with it as normal. The 00s were far more male dominated in terms of the mainstream however. 

Reading 1999 - The Charlatans, Blur, RHCP

Reading 1998 - Page and Plant, The Beastie Boys, Garbage

Reading 1997 - Suede, Manic Street Preachers, Metallica

Reading 1996 - RATM, Black Grape, The Stone Roses

Reading 1995 - The Smashing Pumpkins, Björk, Neil Young

Reading 1994 - Cyrpress Hill, Primal Scream, RHCP

Reading 1993 - Porno For Pyros, The The, New Order

Reading 1992 - The Wonderstuff, Public Enemy, Nirvana

Reading 1991 - Iggy Pop, James, The Sisters of Mercy

Out of the 30 headliners in the 1990s, there were 5 female band members. Those were the Wonderstuff violinist, New Order keyboardist, Björk, Smashing Pumpkins bassist, Garbage singer.

If the average band had 4 members in it (complete guess), that would mean 5 out of 120 people involved in Reading headline slots in the 1990s were female.

If that's not an issue to you, and counts as there being loads of female acts, then well...

[moams]

1 minute ago, Jack w said:

but why would a guy want to be drummer more than a girl? that's the point. Remove all stereotypes and encouragement and there's no reason why one gender should want to be a drummer more than the other.

Agree it is down to stereotypes you should be confident to do what you want no matter what gender you are. I personally don't care if a band has female members or not. If they make good music then that's all that matters. Leeds 2015 one of the best acts I saw that weekend was Baby Metal (3 female members). I saw Good Charlotte in rock city and Against The Current supported them (female fronted) and they were great. 

[Aech]

2 minutes ago, Alex DeLarge said:

I don't see what the problem would be if they booked: Wolf Alice, Marmozets, M.I.A., The Big Moon, Pale Waves, Die Antwoord, Tonight Alive, Little Simz, Nadia Rose, Lady Leshurr, Alvvays, Mitski, Angel Olsen, Kelela, St. Vincent, Haim, Los Campesinos!, Against Me!, Warpaint, Annie Mac, Grimes, Charli XCX, even though I don't like a lot of those acts they all appeal to the typical R+L crowd and have a lot of fans. I just listed these out to show there are R+L friendly acts out there yet every year we get Catfish, The Hunna, The Sherlocks and loads of other landfill shite made by men.

I can see the problem with booking Die Antwoord

[Chinaski_]

2 minutes ago, Gucci Piggy said:

Reading 1999 - The Charlatans, Blur, RHCP

Reading 1998 - Page and Plant, The Beastie Boys, Garbage

Reading 1997 - Suede, Manic Street Preachers, Metallica

Reading 1996 - RATM, Black Grape, The Stone Roses

Reading 1995 - The Smashing Pumpkins, Björk, Neil Young

Reading 1994 - Cyrpress Hill, Primal Scream, RHCP

Reading 1993 - Porno For Pyros, The The, New Order

Reading 1992 - The Wonderstuff, Public Enemy, Nirvana

Reading 1991 - Iggy Pop, James, The Sisters of Mercy

Out of the 30 headliners in the 1990s, there were 5 female band members. Those were the Wonderstuff violinist, New Order keyboardist, Björk, Smashing Pumpkins bassist, Garbage singer.

If the average band had 4 members in it (complete guess), that would mean 5 out of 120 people involved in Reading headline slots in the 1990s were female.

If that's not an issue to you, and counts as there being loads of female acts, then well...

I was on about on the tv. 

[Gucci Piggy]

9 minutes ago, moams said:

I think it would more likely be down to a guy wanting to be a drummer more than a girl not down to encouragement of parents. There is loads of decent female fronted bands and bands with female members out there but I feel this whole situation has been blown completely out of proportion. 

Yeah like Jack says below, why would that be the case if it wasn't for stereotypes that they grow up around? What is there about playing drums or electric guitar or singing in a rock band that would make it appeal more to a male than a female, other than the fact the majority of role models who play these instruments are male?

6 minutes ago, Jack w said:

but why would a guy want to be drummer more than a girl? that's the point. Remove all stereotypes and encouragement and there's no reason why one gender should want to be a drummer more than the other.

 

[Alex DeLarge]

Just now, Aech said:

I can see the problem with booking Die Antwoord

 Gonna confess here I have seen Die Antwoord and they put on a good show.

[dentalplan]

22 minutes ago, Chinaski_ said:

I don't see why females can't be inspired to play the guitar by males and vice versa and I know plenty of females in punk bands before you say I don't know what I'm on about. 

It’s jokes how you keep bringing up Bikini Kill but can’t get on board with this. Like what the fuck do you think these sort of bands were speaking out against? Bikini Kill did women only concerts ffs, they were obviously trying to inspire change in attitudes of women.

[Gucci Piggy]

1 minute ago, Chinaski_ said:

I was on about on the tv. 

But even when there were this alternative culture you speak of, female musicians still weren't making it to the heights of headlining Reading festival, which is a related problem.

[Chinaski_]

Again, I don't see why women can only be inspired by other women to form a band. L7 were influenced by Motorhead and Black Flag for example. 

[R Shah]

The plain truth is that there is an overwhelming majority of males in rock bands compared to females in rock bands. The reasons why that is the case don't matter. because there's clearly more men in rock bands therefore there's always going to be a lot more males than females at r+l. 

Simple conclusion : if there's a higher percentage of men in rock overall , there will be higher percentage of male acts at r+l. 

There are some good female artists as many of you have listed but there also many more good male artists because there are more male artists involved on the whole . Irrespective of everything and any stereotypes or reasons why there are more men, the probability of booking a male artist is considerably higher . It doesn't matter whether theyre male or female as long as they're good when FR are booking them.

[Chinaski_]

3 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

It’s jokes how you keep bringing up Bikini Kill but can’t get on board with this. Like what the fuck do you think these sort of bands were speaking out against? Bikini Kill did women only concerts ffs, they were obviously trying to inspire change in attitudes of women.

Nah I'm just saying it's pretty sexist to say women can only be inspired by other women. Bikini Kill did a lot for women in a male dominated punk environment, especially regarding sexual abuse. However it's not like women weren't listening to punk without them.