Political equality @ Glasto...

[**claire**]

Include everyone even the warmongers and people who happily see children go hungry include all the racists and ukkippers let's include them all hey?

Everyone is welcome to have a good time together that's the ethos that itself excludes the hateful hard hearted cynts that make up the British right. You can't include people who want exclude everyone else.

 

This is a great point.  Out of upvotes unfortunately.

[pecks]

city trader at the age of 18? Righto.

 

Yeah I was wondering that one too

[Winslow Leach]

What right wing elements/legacies would you like to see? Perhaps a festival food bank? Massive camping areas and amenities for the 1% while the 99% sleep on top of each other and shit in a shallow hole? An immigrant deportation zone where anyone speaking a different language can be loudly shamed for ruining our country and then ejected by a cattle prod wielding Nigel Farage? Maybe a few statues of David Cameron recognising all his efforts in preserving the quality of life for the rich while demonising the poor?

 

Why weren't you in charge of designing Shangri-La this year?

[**claire**]

What right wing elements/legacies would you like to see? Perhaps a festival food bank? Massive camping areas and amenities for the 1% while the 99% sleep on top of each other and shit in a shallow hole? An immigrant deportation zone where anyone speaking a different language can be loudly shamed for ruining our country and then ejected by a cattle prod wielding Nigel Farage? Maybe a few statues of David Cameron recognising all his efforts in preserving the quality of life for the rich while demonising the poor?

 

Again, more upvotes urgently required.

[jiffy]

OK so you're a city trader so I would imagine you have very little experience of what life might be like for someone on the bottom rungs?

Could it be said you're not in the position to say what those people can/cannot feel/say about the position they've been put in?

Sometimes rather than going "OI I can think what I want" it might be helpful for people to ask "Why is there such a strong reaction to this? Is there something I am not getting about these people's situations?"

I am oft reminded by Tories of one of their own - who spent years decrying the amount of public money wasted on legal aid - said if you really had the issue you'd find the money to fight it.

He ended up bankrupt because he tried to fight a legal case on his own and ended up utterly shafted.

The Tory mentality/standpoint is only sustainable as long as you are in an ensured position of power - once you're the person in need you'll realise they are the biggest bunch of c**ts in the world who will happily smear you into a bloody mess on a balance sheet as long as it keeps the life they think they deserve protected. It's easy to ignore who you're treading on when you can't see below the clouds

 

 

As I said, 18 year old for context, state school South London educated for more context.

 

I fully appreciate and agree I'm still not in a position to talk on behalf of the ones undeservedly at the bottom, and only ever known the South so never first hand witnessed the aftermath of Thatcher etc.

 

I actually don't fully agree with them myself but for far more in depth reasons than typical tory bashing covers.

 

My point is that for a festival that succeeds so well at getting people involved, sharing, caring, being nice to each other overall, does it not isolate and cast aside those who currently are right of centre and may otherwise be persuaded to move further left?

[Winslow Leach]

and only ever known the South so never first hand witnessed the aftermath of Thatcher etc.

 

 

Well I suppose he was born in Scotland.

 

[Swine_Glasto2014]

No

[jiffy]

city trader at the age of 18? Righto.

 

Not a bank, no educational prerequisites but believe what you want.

 

It weakens my point anyway.

[pecks]

there's plenty of discussion goes on at Leftfield, various places in the greenfields, etc. 

Shangri-la is not there for discussion, it's supposed to be in-yer-face. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

It does do that, though. I'm not sure how creating a false sense of "balance" by, say, doing seminars on Ayn Rand would help.

[fatyeti24]

As I said, 18 year old for context, state school South London educated for more context.

 

I fully appreciate and agree I'm still not in a position to talk on behalf of the ones undeservedly at the bottom, and only ever known the South so never first hand witnessed the aftermath of Thatcher etc.

 

I actually don't fully agree with them myself but for far more in depth reasons than typical tory bashing covers.

 

My point is that for a festival that succeeds so well at getting people involved, sharing, caring, being nice to each other overall, does it not isolate and cast aside those who currently are right of centre and may otherwise be persuaded to move further left?

the festival isolates all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons.  my step mum would never attend in a million years because the very thought of a long drop terrifies her.

 

now i'd suspect long drops are a bit of a challenge to us all at one time or another, but some attend the festival anyway and deal with it.

 

 

 

(i didn't plan on writing a long drop/right wing analogy, but it was quite easy)

[fatyeti24]

It does do that, though. I'm not sure how creating a false sense of "balance" by, say, doing seminars on Ayn Rand would help.

Fox News are good at balance, they always say.

[pecks]

the festival isolates all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons.  my step mum would never attend in a million years because the very thought of a long drop terrifies her.

 

now i'd suspect long drops are a bit of a challenge to us all at one time or another, but some attend the festival anyway and deal with it.

 

 

 

(i didn't plan on writing a long drop/right wing analogy, but it was quite easy)

 

another good point, if you're not out of your comfort zone at some point you're probably not doing it right (especially if you're 18 and a trader)

[Winslow Leach]

 (i didn't plan on writing a long drop/right wing analogy, but it was quite easy)

 

Trickle down economics, innit?

[jeffie]

Anything that balances this shit has got to be good!

 

[jiffy]

there's plenty of discussion goes on at Leftfield, various places in the greenfields, etc. 

Shangri-la is not there for discussion, it's supposed to be in-yer-face. 

 

As I say, only been my second so I'm yet to fully experience the whole thing. Wasn't aware to be honest.

[russycarps]

Anything that balances this shit has got to be good!

 

 

 

wow fucking hell! not seen those headlines before. Jesus.

[CaledonianGonzo]

Perhaps a colossal statue of Gideon as St George / Mick Hucknall - as per the Daily Mail's front page - would give the Tories the representation they seem to crave.

[frostypaw]

Anything that balances this shit has got to be good!

 

This is an excellent point in just the right context - where *is* the political equality outside the fence? You could set off a leftie nuke in the festival and barely make a dent in the tsunami of self-congratulatory pap the right drowns us in

[fatyeti24]

Trickle down economics, innit?

you're too kind.

 

really it was just a load of shit.

[pecks]

As I say, only been my second so I'm yet to fully experience the whole thing. Wasn't aware to be honest.

 

well next time get up there and start debatin'!

[Winslow Leach]

Anything that balances this shit has got to be good!

 

 

Gideon and the mainstream press, sitting in a tree...

[pecks]

Perhaps a colossal statue of Gideon as St George / Mick Hucknall - as per the Daily Mail's front page - would give the Tories the representation they seem to crave.

 

it would at least be fun to topple it, Saddam-style

[Winslow Leach]

it would at least be fun to topple it, Saddam-style

 

The Wednesday night bonfire does need a bit of a shake up.

[PabloCoke]

wow fucking hell! not seen those headlines before. Jesus.

It took my breath away when I saw them, blantant propaganda from big Business. We live under the jackboot of corporate facism and few care. Democracy in this country is a sham.