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3 minutes ago, Lad said:

Of course you all missed the new EO that prohibits central Americans claiming asylum.Something worth discussing but maybe you should all plough on wondering if time is racist.😂

so Trump thinks human rights don't count for the little people. Who knew? :lol: 

What's funny is that you think you wouldn't class as the little people. Trump hates dole-y's like you, remember? And he hates poor neighbourhoods and says it's their own fault they're poor ... still, I guess that'd suit your victim complex.

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1 minute ago, Lad said:

You said doesn't matter it's Trump's fault without knowing the first thing about them.Couldve been diseases caught end route which are infectious but you don't care about kids like Rose West.

Obama built the cages you terminally thick fool.

Blame obama: you're a cliche

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Just now, eFestivals said:

so Trump thinks human rights don't count for the little people. Who knew? :lol: 

What's funny is that you think you wouldn't class as the little people. Trump hates dole-y's like you, remember? 

Nah snobs say that sort of thing.Pip pip.😂

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Just now, zahidf said:

Blame obama: you're a cliche

So he didn't build them?

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Just now, eFestivals said:

so Trump thinks human rights don't count for the little people. Who knew? :lol: 

What's funny is that you think you wouldn't class as the little people. Trump hates dole-y's like you, remember? 

Yup: trump soon to be in court EO which is more than likely illegal.

 

Lad would be a camp guard if he could. He'd love it

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Just now, zahidf said:

Yup: trump soon to be in court EO which is more than likely illegal.

 

Lad would be a camp guard if he could. He'd love it

Says Rose West the kid hater. 

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Just now, zahidf said:

Yup: trump soon to be in court EO which is more than likely illegal

it's defo outside of the UNDHR.

Fancy being such a c**t that you wouldn't save your worst enemy from certain death - cos that's the consequence for some.

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2 minutes ago, Lad said:

Hey Rose check who built them.😂

and check out who changed them from temporary (<24 hours) detention into months-long prisons. :rolleyes: 

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1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

and check out who changed them from temporary (<24 hours) detention into months-long prisons. :rolleyes: 

So the Manchurian candidate built them.Its a start.

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3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

it's defo outside of the UNDHR.

Fancy being such a c**t that you wouldn't save your worst enemy from certain death - cos that's the consequence for some.

It's that or the gas chambers.Hobsons choice I think they call it.Whats fucked asylum up at that border is the abuse of the system. Find out.

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29 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

extremism is an electoral liability - and Trump is trying to even things up, by trying to make the Dems seem or be more extreme.

And to an extent he's getting away with his own extremism via how the Dems have reacted to him so far - cos when they say it's the biggest outrage every time he does/says something, it wears a bit thin as a public narrative.

I agree with that. Someone like AOC may have loads of Twitter followers and be a celebrity politician, but does she cause people who voted Trump last time to change their vote, or get those who didn't vote last time to vote.

My fear is she makes some reluctant Hillary voters more excited about voting Dems, but that doesn't increase votes. I suspect she is more of a vote loser in votes that the Dems need to win. Trump is more likely to win a race against socialism than one against Biden.

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11 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I agree with that. Someone like AOC may have loads of Twitter followers and be a celebrity politician, but does she cause people who voted Trump last time to change their vote, or get those who didn't vote last time to vote.

My fear is she makes some reluctant Hillary voters more excited about voting Dems, but that doesn't increase votes. I suspect she is more of a vote loser in votes that the Dems need to win. Trump is more likely to win a race against socialism than one against Biden.

It's not really socialism: that's just how it's painted.

She's seems to be just a young politician trying to put forward leftie policies. I doubt she'd make independents flock to trump, she's not on the ticket.

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On 7/17/2019 at 7:24 PM, eFestivals said:

utter crap. Banks lend at above the base rate - which you'd notice if you had a loan.

Again this is further evidence you don't know what you're talking about and the effects that the Central Banks have on economies, you should read this paper to learn as to why negative rates are killing the profitability of the European (and Japanese) banks which is ultimately leading to the slow death of the banks and the economies that rely upon them.

https://static.norges-bank.no/contentassets/8cfbb9eaebd7411691e13096d9a9a36a/working_paper_4_19.pdf?v=01/18/2019100151&ft=.pdf

https://www.nber.org/papers/w25416

On 7/17/2019 at 7:24 PM, eFestivals said:

that's not the problem.

The fantasy economy of 2008 is still working its way out of the system. There's too much bank for too little economic activity, as a consequence of that long-gone fantasy economy.

See here I agree with you, but the reason why there's too much bank for too little economic activity is purely because of the monetary system we use, if we were using sound money instead of fiat shit the banking sector couldn't possibly be as big as it is.

On 7/17/2019 at 7:24 PM, eFestivals said:

Germany, rough times? The country with no debt and a whopping surplus? :lol:  

Germany isn't debt free at all :lol: And they'll be in deep shit when the bank that's central to the health of their economy goes pop.

On 7/17/2019 at 7:24 PM, eFestivals said:

The state can't bail out the bank - it's in their constitution - but they can pump up the economy with investments to mitigate it.

If the UK had the same freedoms to do that we wouldn't be about to be fucked so badly by brexit.

Proof that government investment into the economy is expansionary and not contractionary.

On 7/17/2019 at 7:34 PM, eFestivals said:

PMSL. :lol: 

who do you think will buy UK lamb when they can get it at least 40% cheaper?

Who gives a shit? Inefficient uneconomical businesses must adapt or die, this is the only way living standards increase.

On 7/17/2019 at 7:34 PM, eFestivals said:

The output is there, the market for that output is about to disappear.

Output is irrelevant to the pound and peoples faith in it. Venezuela still produces stuff but nobody accepts the Bolivar as it's worthless shit.

On 7/17/2019 at 7:34 PM, eFestivals said:

The price of the pound is not only about what can be bought today with a pound, but also what can be bought in 6 months with a pound - and in 6 months things might be very different.

Yes there are lots of different things that can happen to the purchasing power of the pound over 6 months, well done.

On 7/17/2019 at 7:34 PM, eFestivals said:

As you know more than those money men you should dive in, you can't loose and you'll be the richest man on earth, instead of someone who hasn't got a scooby.

What makes you think that I don't trade?

On 7/17/2019 at 7:37 PM, eFestivals said:

they can only create money against a debt you plonker. :rolleyes: 

All money is debt! Did you even bother watching the video that I posted where Richard Werner explains this to you? Here I'll even link you the paper he wrote on banking and quote the part where he explains how they created their own capital.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1057521914001434

'Since banks invent money as fictitious deposits, it can be readily shown that capital adequacy based bank regulation does not have to restrict bank activity: banks can create money and hence can arrange for money to be made available to purchase newly issued shares that increase their bank capital. In other words, banks could simply invent the money that is then used to increase their capital. This is what Barclays Bank did in 2008, in order to avoid the use of tax money to shore up the bank's capital: Barclays ‘raised’ £5.8 bn in new equity from Gulf sovereign wealth investors — by, it has transpired, lending them the money! As is explained in Werner (2014a), Barclays implemented a standard loan operation, thus inventing the £5.8 bn deposit ‘lent’ to the investor. This deposit was then used to ‘purchase’ the newly issued Barclays shares. Thus in this case the bank liability originating from the bank loan to the Gulf investor transmuted from (1) an accounts payable liability to (2) a customer deposit liability, to finally end up as (3) equity — another category on the liability side of the bank's balance sheet. Effectively, Barclays invented its own capital. This certainly was cheaper for the UK tax payer than using tax money.'

We should have had all our banks do this instead of burning through yours and my money!

On 7/17/2019 at 7:38 PM, eFestivals said:

is there much international banking in Rochdale? Just wondering like?

 

Location has nothing to do with the knowledge of a person, the only reason you bring this up is because you are clueless and are losing the argument.

On 7/17/2019 at 8:08 PM, feral chile said:

That was my understanding of Mcdonnell's argument. You are responding to my reply to Neil, which was in response to his comment, paraphrased, what do you understand of Mcdonnell's argument. His actual post was much ruder.

So, are you disagreeing with my understanding of Mcdonnell, or Mcdonnell?

Mcdonnell.

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Also the Democrats (and MSM) really are a fucking pathetic bunch of clowns, them losing their minds over Trumps admittedly gross tweet has allowed him to push through his effective ban on asylum to the US completely unopposed with it barely getting any attention or air time. Ridiculous.  

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1 hour ago, KingPin said:

Also the Democrats (and MSM) really are a fucking pathetic bunch of clowns, them losing their minds over Trumps admittedly gross tweet has allowed him to push through his effective ban on asylum to the US completely unopposed with it barely getting any attention or air time. Ridiculous.  

You having trouble calling him racist as well? What's this 'admittedly gross' rubbish?

Also, wasn't his asylum ban an executive order which they oppose and which is in the court procedure? It didn't go through the house they control.

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You must be confused lad. Omar wanted money to go to 9/11 victims but your precious GOP stopped it 

 

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3 hours ago, zahidf said:

It's not really socialism: that's just how it's painted.

She's seems to be just a young politician trying to put forward leftie policies. I doubt she'd make independents flock to trump, she's not on the ticket.

It doesnt matter what it is, you just need to persuade enough voters it is what you say it is.

It also doesn't matter that she isn't on the ticket. What the Republicans want is tv and quotes of Biden (or whoever the candidate is) agreeing with her. I think it's a sound strategy, but also one that can be achieved easily without the go home chants.

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1 hour ago, pink_triangle said:

It doesnt matter what it is, you just need to persuade enough voters it is what you say it is.

It also doesn't matter that she isn't on the ticket. What the Republicans want is tv and quotes of Biden (or whoever the candidate is) agreeing with her. I think it's a sound strategy, but also one that can be achieved easily without the go home chants.

But they've chosen her because of her race. If you're saying targeting her is a smart political move, why is that? Do you think they should sideline her?

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12 hours ago, Lad said:

So the Manchurian candidate built them.Its a start.

Obama operated a humane policy. Trump operates an inhumane policy.

You support the inhumane.

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12 hours ago, zahidf said:

It's not really socialism: that's just how it's painted.

but just like in the UK, it gets painted like that because it works for scaring people away.

12 hours ago, zahidf said:

She's seems to be just a young politician trying to put forward leftie policies. I doubt she'd make independents flock to trump, she's not on the ticket.

As I keep on saying, Trump is not expecting "independents flock to trump". It's about weakening Dem support - which only requires people not voting Dem.

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10 hours ago, KingPin said:

Again this is further evidence you don't know what you're talking about

I said (paraphrased) that banks lend for profit, and this is your reply. :lol: 

I guess you're saying, then, that banks make loans at a loss or at no-interest out of the goodness of their hearts.

Who knew bankers had a heart? :P 

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10 hours ago, KingPin said:

the effects that the Central Banks have on economies

who knew that govts create central banks for that govt's purpose, and not to let bankers rape the economies of those countries. :lol: 

Jesus fuckin christ.

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