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The Republican evolution on Roy Moore is a quintessential example of how norms and values are eviscerated:

1. Hesitant criticism
2. Gradual equivocation
3. Backtracking on criticism
4. Tepid support
5. Full-blown support

And like that, child molesting is acceptable to the GOP.

Of course, Lad wont have a go at a proper example of 'turning a blind eye' because Moore isnt a muslim

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9 minutes ago, zahidf said:

The Republican evolution on Roy Moore is a quintessential example of how norms and values are eviscerated:

1. Hesitant criticism
2. Gradual equivocation
3. Backtracking on criticism
4. Tepid support
5. Full-blown support

And like that, child molesting is acceptable to the GOP.

Of course, Lad wont have a go at a proper example of 'turning a blind eye' because Moore isnt a muslim

What do you suggest they do, tell everyone to vote for the democratic candidate? There isn't a mechanism to replace him with another republican.

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12 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

What do you suggest they do, tell everyone to vote for the democratic candidate? There isn't a mechanism to replace him with another republican.

They are explicitly supporting and funding his campaign.

And yes, that is a better option! Or a write in candidate

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15 minutes ago, zahidf said:

They are explicitly supporting and funding his campaign.

And yes, that is a better option! Or a write in candidate

Its a better option for you who shares more in common with the democrats. Its not a better option if you are pro life, pro guns, want to reduce immigration, want to pay lower taxes, want conservative supreme court judges etc. As has been said before its not like Moore can go into the senate and push through legislation to reduce the age of consent, make rape legal etc.

The write in candidate just splits the vote and lets the democrat in.  So its effectively the same as voting democrat. The problem is more with the system which cant get him off the ballot, than the people who will vote for him because he is the least worse choice

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Article in the times saying the republicans change on Moore is really to do with an appearance that Trumps policies are starting to work. Wages are rising and Blue Collar America is looking better off which means the party will start to back Trump in other areas:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/blue-collar-america-thinks-trump-is-working-v3glczjvc

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22 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Its a better option for you who shares more in common with the democrats. Its not a better option if you are pro life, pro guns, want to reduce immigration, want to pay lower taxes, want conservative supreme court judges etc. As has been said before its not like Moore can go into the senate and push through legislation to reduce the age of consent, make rape legal etc.

The write in candidate just splits the vote and lets the democrat in.  So its effectively the same as voting democrat. The problem is more with the system which cant get him off the ballot, than the people who will vote for him because he is the least worse choice

Nah. The RNC, in their own words, say they think the accusations against him are true. And they are now funding him again. So it is fair to say they are formally and financially supporting someone they think committed several sex crimes against minors.

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3 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Nah. The RNC, in their own words, say they think the accusations against him are true. And they are now funding him again. So it is fair to say they are supporting someone they think committed several sex crimes against minors.

The RNC would like the option to get him off the ballot and put another republican in his place. The rules don't allow for this option.  If they dont fund him then it effectively increases the chances of a democrat getting in.  Whether you like it or not a lot of Alabama people dont want a democrat representing them as they feel he wont legislate in their interest.

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14 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

The RNC would like the option to get him off the ballot and put another republican in his place. The rules don't allow for this option.  If they dont fund him then it effectively increases the chances of a democrat getting in.  Whether you like it or not a lot of Alabama people dont want a democrat representing them as they feel he wont legislate in their interest.

They dont have a god given right to the seat. If you feel you have to financially support someone YOU think is a child molestor, then fine, but then you have to accept that is what you are doing and the consequences of such. And you can act like you give a crap aboit child abuse victims.

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34 minutes ago, lost said:

Wages are rising and Blue Collar America is looking better off

the stats show that it started before Trump took office.

He'ds benefiting from Obama's policies.

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7 hours ago, bunique said:

This really isn’t the case everywhere. Where I work there’s been huge amounts of work done with mosques and taxi firms to raise the profile of child sexual exploitation to try to prevent it (safeguarding training is a licensing requirement). But as a senior police officer recently pointed out, white men are far more likely to be the perpetrators of sexual abuse of children. 

Turning a blind eye has been the case for decades.Ann Cryer highlighted these crimes late 90's early 2000s in Keighley. For her troubles she was inevitably accused of racism by the muslim community elders,the police and fellow labour MPs ostracised her(that's her account).It was an open secret.The towns include(but not all) after crown court cases.Newcastle, Oxford,Peterborough, Rochdale,Birmingham, Rotherham, Manchester, Bristol,Aylesbury.Because more white people are involved in abuse is stating the bleedin obvious.Of course they are it's a northern European country.As I've previously said they're despised and the vast majority want to see them punished in most communities.Unless you can point out where the community sticks up for child abusers.That's why the police are always frightened of vigilante reprisals.Ann Cryer didn't find that but the opposite.She found the police,local councillors and national labour politicians happy to ignore horrific crimes and in fact punish her when she bravely tried to help victims. 

We've seen a liberal trail of lies and apologies with these crimes over decades.You see it on here by deflection.Why?

Arrest and prosecute all this garbage whatever their ethnicity or religion.It's a simple concept. 


 

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1 minute ago, Lad said:

Turning a blind eye has been the case for decades.Ann Cryer highlighted these crimes late 90's early 2000s in Keighley. For her troubles she was inevitably accused of racism by the muslim community elders,the police and fellow labour MPs ostracised her(that's her account).It was an open secret.The towns include(but not all) after crown court cases.Newcastle, Oxford,Peterborough, Rochdale,Birmingham, Rotherham, Manchester, Bristol,Aylesbury.Because more white people are involved in abuse is stating the bleedin obvious.Of course they are it's a northern European country.As I've previously said they're despised and the vast majority want to see them punished in most communities.Unless you can point out where the community sticks up for child abusers


 

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2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

They dont have a god given right to the seat. 

but they do have a 'god' given right to a vote, which they lose if there isn't a candidate who supports policies they like.

It might help your understanding if you stopped having a self-centred view of it, where only your own values should be permitted to exist. There was a geezer called Adolf who was a bit like that. ;)

There's a million different reasons why someone might support a candidate, just as there's a million reasons why someone might not.

You attempting to suggest that say that support for moore is only about his paedoism makes your view more extreme than theirs.

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3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

but they do have a 'god' given right to a vote, which they lose if there isn't a candidate who supports policies they like.

It might help your understanding if you stopped having a self-centred view of it, where only your own values should be permitted to exist. There was a geezer called Adolf who was a bit like that. ;)

There's a million different reasons why someone might support a candidate, just as there's a million reasons why someone might not.

You attempting to suggest that say that support for moore is only about his paedoism makes your view more extreme than theirs.

its a fairly massive negative to ignore. 

Like i guess his homophobia and racism may be strong enough to counter his paedoism...

Anyway, im criticising the party for giving someone THEY SAY is probably a paedo money to win the seat. Thats a valid criticism

Goodwins law btw

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3 minutes ago, Lad said:

Turning a blind eye has been the case for decades.Ann Cryer highlighted these crimes late 90's early 2000s in Keighley. For her troubles she was inevitably accused of racism by the muslim community elders,the police and fellow labour MPs ostracised her(that's her account).It was an open secret.The towns include(but not all) after crown court cases.Newcastle, Oxford,Peterborough, Rochdale,Birmingham, Rotherham, Manchester, Bristol,Aylesbury.Because more white people are involved in abuse is stating the bleedin obvious.Of course they are it's a northern European country.As I've previously said they're despised and the vast majority want to see them punished in most communities.Unless you can point out where the community sticks up for child abusers.That's why the police are always frightened of vigilante reprisals.Ann Cryer didn't find that but the opposite.She found the police,local councillors and national labour politicians happy to ignore horrific crimes and in fact punish her when she bravely tried to help victims. 

We've seen a liberal trail of lies and apologies with these crimes over decades.You see it on here by deflection.Why?

Arrest and prosecute all this garbage whatever their ethnicity or religion.It's a simple concept. 


 

you're making it up again, pretending that all of the circumstances were all the same in all of those towns, when they weren't. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, errors were made, just like errors are always made. If this is the anti-whitey conspiracy you're pretending, then you have to accept all the stuff the other way, like the old bill who (basically) helped a gang of whities murder an immigrant.

If you're doing consistent, all of the old bill are a racist hit-squad, yet you have nothing to say about that.

 

 

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Just now, zahidf said:

Alabama

Has he been convicted in a proper court or after a proper procedure?If he has he should be treated like any abuser.Do you see the difference between meself and a freak like you who tries any crap rather deal with something close in your own country.You're a rapist apologist.Don't you know the difference between a crown court trial and conviction and a twitter storm?You simpleton. 

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10 minutes ago, zahidf said:

its a fairly massive negative to ignore. 

Nope. 

The massive thing to ignore is all other issues in the world - which you're doing by placing *possible* child abuse above 'correcting' the 'wrong' policies for every other issue in life

And where those other issues personally affect each and every voter, while moore's paedoism is unlikely to affect any of those voters.

 

10 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Like i guess his homophobia and racism may be strong enough to counter his paedoism...

Yeah, everyone with a different opinion to you is evil to the core. :rolleyes:

Hitler would be proud of your mindset. You'd be the one cheering him on, saying the gas chambers are too good for the scum.

 

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Anyway, im criticising the party for giving someone THEY SAY is probably a paedo money to win the seat. Thats a valid criticism

only for someone who is happy to see half-ish of the electorate disenfranchised and certain victory for their candidate. :rolleyes:

Other more nuanced minds can see a world of difficult choices.

 

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Goodwins law btw

when you demonstrate the mindset of a fascist, I'll call you a fascist.

That's the full-mindset, not just a few tendencies. 

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Just now, eFestivals said:

you're making it up again, pretending that all of the circumstances were all the same in all of those towns, when they weren't. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile, errors were made, just like errors are always made. If this is the anti-whitey conspiracy you're pretending, then you have to accept all the stuff the other way, like the old bill who (basically) helped a gang of whities murder an immigrant.

If you're doing consistent, all of the old bill are a racist hit-squad, yet you have nothing to say about that.

 

 

What's all this whitey stuff?Are you the Jerk?

 

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1 minute ago, Lad said:

What's all this whitey stuff?Are you the Jerk?

No, I'm the bringer of truth. The whities rape gangs are bigger and better organised and authorised by whitey.

You don't seem keen to discuss them. Any reason why?

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Just now, eFestivals said:

No, I'm the bringer of truth. The whities rape gangs are bigger and better organised and authorised by whitey.

You don't seem keen to discuss them. Any reason why?

I've said times too numerous on this thread how I hate anyone who abuses kids.Maybe you're just thick and not deceitful but maybe not.I've put facts with links to reported court cases and convictions. All I've heard from you Mr Jerk is deflection.I'd expect this from twitter boy and now I expect it from you.You exhibit the same attitudes I quoted in an enquiry (which you pretend to not understand ).You are happy to ignore the most horrendous crimes for political convenience. 

Btw don't make an even bigger fool of yourself by saying there are no similarities in these cases because you're completely ignorant on the subject.

The bringer of truth to whitey.:lol:What a beaut you are.

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Lad is right that the serious case reviews which have looked at cases of large scale CSE have identified a reticence to challenge minority communities, often amongst the elected members of those minorities too. I’ve heard about it here as well, it’s just through a lot of persistence by individuals in and out of those minority groups that those barriers are being broken down. But race isn’t the only factor in CSE cases - it’s often painted as Asian males exploiting white females but it’s less about race and more about th vulnerability of the victims. Often connected with gang violence too

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1 hour ago, zahidf said:

They dont have a god given right to the seat. If you feel you have to financially support someone YOU think is a child molestor, then fine, but then you have to accept that is what you are doing and the consequences of such. And you can act like you give a crap aboit child abuse victims.

If the people of Alabama don't want a Democrat representing them then that is the right of the people of Alabama. What Moore has done in the past has little impact on the lives of these people. How a senator (especially in a  52/48 senate) votes could have huge impact. It could be the difference in getting a conservative supreme court judge next time there is a vacancy or not.

They may say that the rights of a baby due to be aborted is as just as a rape victim. They are entitled to that opinion. As I have said many would love an option to vote a different type of Republican in, but you only provide options where they are left with a Democrat.

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1 hour ago, zahidf said:

its a fairly massive negative to ignore. 

Like i guess his homophobia and racism may be strong enough to counter his paedoism...

Anyway, im criticising the party for giving someone THEY SAY is probably a paedo money to win the seat. Thats a valid criticism

Goodwins law btw

They would say a party who supports guns, is pro life etc is a massive negative to ignore as well. However in a 2 party system where both options have massive negatives, you have to choose one.

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9 minutes ago, bunique said:

Lad is right that the serious case reviews which have looked at cases of large scale CSE have identified a reticence to challenge minority communities,

some, not all.

10 minutes ago, bunique said:

but it’s less about race and more about th vulnerability of the victims.

and also about the prejudiced perceptions of the victims' character by those within the 'caring' services.

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