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4 hours ago, WS_Jack_III said:

X-men coming to the MCU

MCU doesn't need the X-Men, they can quite happily exist in their own universe. Comics crossovers between X-Men and the wider line are rarely any good, and commonly complete shit. The X-Men have got their own little universe with its own rules and nuances and politics that the other lines mostly ignore unless it suits them.

FF on the other hand is a really exciting prospect. This gives us the potential for Thor going toe-to-toe with Silver Surfer and Galactus, a proper Doctor Doom as the ultimate bad motherfucker in the Marvel world, a Namor movie or just an Atlantis Attacks story for Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy vs Annilus. Loads of stuff. Jack Kirby's most creative and fertile material all went into his FF comics and they need to mine the fuck out of that.

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1 hour ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said:

MCU doesn't need the X-Men, they can quite happily exist in their own universe. Comics crossovers between X-Men and the wider line are rarely any good, and commonly complete shit. The X-Men have got their own little universe with its own rules and nuances and politics that the other lines mostly ignore unless it suits them.

FF on the other hand is a really exciting prospect. This gives us the potential for Thor going toe-to-toe with Silver Surfer and Galactus, a proper Doctor Doom as the ultimate bad motherfucker in the Marvel world, a Namor movie or just an Atlantis Attacks story for Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy vs Annilus. Loads of stuff. Jack Kirby's most creative and fertile material all went into his FF comics and they need to mine the fuck out of that.

Well apparently Marvel Studios has been ready for this situation for a few years now, especially for X-Men. So i'd say it's likely we'll see them in the MCU.

 

F4 has too much of a shit stain on it I think, would work better as a TV show maybe. Wonder what it means for Deadpool, would be nice to see it be a trilogy

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4 minutes ago, WS_Jack_III said:

F4 has too much of a shit stain on it I think, would work better as a TV show maybe.

No no a thousand times no. It's the ultimate in maximalist wide-scope sci-fi/fantasy adventuring and it demands a befitting wide-screen experience. FF is the real untapped golden property in Marvel's roster, they'd be fucking stupid not to use. Nobody saw the most recent FF, the Jessica Alba ones probably aren't remembered all that much by now either, the Marvel Studios name is strong af and if they make a good film it will do very well. They turned around the ailing Spider-Man franchise very effectively. Even with a sketchy cinema history, it's got name recognition so it gives it a better start than relatively unknown Black Panther and Ant Man.

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37 minutes ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said:

No no a thousand times no. It's the ultimate in maximalist wide-scope sci-fi/fantasy adventuring and it demands a befitting wide-screen experience. FF is the real untapped golden property in Marvel's roster, they'd be fucking stupid not to use. Nobody saw the most recent FF, the Jessica Alba ones probably aren't remembered all that much by now either, the Marvel Studios name is strong af and if they make a good film it will do very well. They turned around the ailing Spider-Man franchise very effectively. Even with a sketchy cinema history, it's got name recognition so it gives it a better start than relatively unknown Black Panther and Ant Man.

Hey, if anybody can do it, It's Marvel Studios.

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Luis CK's I love you daddy has been leaked. Its very funny but you can see why they haven't released it into the current climate.

 

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16 hours ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said:

MCU doesn't need the X-Men, they can quite happily exist in their own universe. Comics crossovers between X-Men and the wider line are rarely any good, and commonly complete shit. The X-Men have got their own little universe with its own rules and nuances and politics that the other lines mostly ignore unless it suits them.

FF on the other hand is a really exciting prospect. This gives us the potential for Thor going toe-to-toe with Silver Surfer and Galactus, a proper Doctor Doom as the ultimate bad motherfucker in the Marvel world, a Namor movie or just an Atlantis Attacks story for Avengers, Guardians of the Galaxy vs Annilus. Loads of stuff. Jack Kirby's most creative and fertile material all went into his FF comics and they need to mine the fuck out of that.

That Hickman run of FF is one of the gnarliest fucking stories ever. Thinking about that coming to the big screen in a meaningful way is nearly too much.

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14 hours ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said:

No no a thousand times no. It's the ultimate in maximalist wide-scope sci-fi/fantasy adventuring and it demands a befitting wide-screen experience. FF is the real untapped golden property in Marvel's roster, they'd be fucking stupid not to use. Nobody saw the most recent FF, the Jessica Alba ones probably aren't remembered all that much by now either, the Marvel Studios name is strong af and if they make a good film it will do very well. They turned around the ailing Spider-Man franchise very effectively. Even with a sketchy cinema history, it's got name recognition so it gives it a better start than relatively unknown Black Panther and Ant Man.

A gazzillion times this. Much as I've always been a XMen fangurl, the FF has an piquant quality all it's own. The haters/doubters need to check that run by Hickman. Lysergic. Truly fucking lysergic.

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25 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

On the flipside, the new Star Wars is a big pile of shit.

 

My friend just said this to me, he hated Force awakens too.

Edited by WS_Jack_III

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4 minutes ago, WS_Jack_III said:

My friend just said this too me, he hated Force awakens too.

I thought Awkens was dull, repetitive and underwhelming. But I hated this one. Its a total waste of time. Fuckboi's queuing up to see it around the world. The pits.

Edited by Wooderson

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5 hours ago, Wooderson said:

On the flipside, the new Star Wars is a big pile of shit.

 

I liked it, but I can definitely see why others wouldn't - more than ever with Star Wars you have to suspend your disbelief, and I can imagine a lot of oldschool fans will hate it. There are plot holes. There are inconsistencies with the previous films. There are questions unanswered/previous plot threads totally ignored. There's an entire subplot that is utterly pointless. There are moments of downright 'what the fuck was that?' But for me the positives outweighed the negatives and I enjoyed it a lot. The second 'Empire Strikes Back' it is not, but it's 2 and a half hours of silly sci-fi which is all I really wanted.

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2 hours ago, FloorFiller said:

I liked it, but I can definitely see why others wouldn't - more than ever with Star Wars you have to suspend your disbelief, and I can imagine a lot of oldschool fans will hate it. There are plot holes. There are inconsistencies with the previous films. There are questions unanswered/previous plot threads totally ignored. There's an entire subplot that is utterly pointless. There are moments of downright 'what the fuck was that?' But for me the positives outweighed the negatives and I enjoyed it a lot. The second 'Empire Strikes Back' it is not, but it's 2 and a half hours of silly sci-fi which is all I really wanted.

This, basically.

It's too long, but then what self important blockbuster isn't? 

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21 hours ago, Wooderson said:

That Hickman run of FF is one of the gnarliest fucking stories ever. Thinking about that coming to the big screen in a meaningful way is nearly too much.

I got up to Future Foundation and found it a load of boring set-up with too much contrived attempts at being smart and not enough payoff, and I thought The Last Jedi was a solid 8/10. How do you like them contrarian apples?

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Commode sums it up well for me
 

Going again tomorrow, we'll see how I feel about it outside of the excitement of the midnight opening

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I buggered up my back earlier in the week (spasms leaving me screaming with pain, never known the likes of it) and had to miss out on my Midnight showing tickets for Star wars, just got back from finally seeing it having hidden from the internet all week.  Really surprised to read here that some hated it, I was grinning from ear to ear throughout.  I'd just mention that I also loved TFA and still do.  They've made the new trilogy into Ron and Hermione in space and I couldn't give 2 fucks, loving every minute.

Obviously I can understand that not everyone is going to share my taste but it's like they are making these sequels for me personally because all the things that everyone complain about are things that frankly don't concern me at all.  All the things that were suggested for how the plot was going to which could have been terrible ideas have thankfully not turned out to be even close and what we got looks fantastic for the finale (in my opinion, obviously).  Going to watch the Kermode vid above now, see what he made of it, I almost always agree with his take on films, be interesting to hear if he hated it :)

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Went to see it yesterday and really enjoyed it but definitely had some significant issues with it, some bits just looked a bit silly when I feel they were meant to be dramatic and a couple of plot holes had pretty major effects on some of the arcs. That Kermode review though made some excellent points and has made me really excited to watch it again, without the expectations of a massive fanboy. 

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2 hours ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said:

I got up to Future Foundation and found it a load of boring set-up with too much contrived attempts at being smart and not enough payoff, and I thought The Last Jedi was a solid 8/10. How do you like them contrarian apples?

Word.

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My only problems with it were that it had a terrible tone problem for some of it; the opening scene most notably. There was a lot of joking around in there, and it just wasn't funny for the most part, but I can forgive some rubbish humour because it isn't a comedy. But when the comedic stuff is invading other scenes it just felt like bad editing, this gag would appear out of nowhere, or they'd go straight from a gag into a high-stakes scene without any room to breathe. Don't get me wrong, I love an unexpected joke landing in an otherwise serious scene, they can be some of the funniest jokes. But for a couple of scenes in this I felt that the surrounding scene ignored the joke that was in the middle of it, so it felt jarring, and left me confused as to how the film wants me to feel about the scene. That felt like a real shame, because in the second half of the film the problem seemed to go away completely, the film fully committed to the high-stakes scenes and had my heart racing and my bum twitching and my head freaking out and wondering wtf was going to happen next. And there were small visual gags slipped in a lot of scenes in the very end, which provided good momentary unexpected lols without sacrificing any of the gravity of the surrounding scenes.

My other problem was Finn and Rose's casino jaunt. Their scenes together on the rebel ship when they first met were pitch-perfect, I got a great sense of Rose and thought she was a great complimentary character for Finn to hang out with. The overall theme I felt that the film as a whole wanted me to take away was that PEOPLE CAN, AND DO, CHANGE. This was put across absolutely flawlessly with the Luke/Rey/Ben storyline (which I reckon is one of the most intriguing character pieces I'll ever see in Star Wars, or any big-budget corporate blockbuster, for that matter; top marks to Rian). But the Rose and Finn storyline seemed to try to juggle another major theme in there to counter and compliment this, which I'll call BLESSED ARE THE MEEK FOR THEY SHALL INHERIT THE GALAXY. We have Finn, who himself is already illustrative of theme number 1; he deserted the Empire and became a hero of the Rebellion. He meets his match with Rose; she's the working class of the galaxy, unremarkable blue-collar schmuck who keeps everything running without glory. She's THE MEEK, if you will. Rose perceives what she thinks is Finn switching sides again, and she isn't having it. The switching sides and changing is not something she, or the rest of the meek, have the luxury of. They're in a struggle for justice, and they'll go and meet their maker for it if they have to. Rose's identical twin was killed as canon fodder in this battle, which effectively makes her the embodiment of rebel we see killed in a split-second shot without any context as to who they were. But Finn is also an embodiment of the exact same thing, but on the imperial side.

Finn and Rose get to casino-world, and Rose's dialogue specifically goes into how she was a proletariat kid who's planet was fucked over by the Empire. The excess of the casino planet shows that the rich don't suffer, and BDT shows us that the rich can afford not to take sides, THE MEEK do not have such a luxury. The weird rabbit-horses, and the horrible little Oliver Twist children (whom I hate) are also examples of THE MEEK. The rabbit horses get their moment of catharsis when they break free and trash the casino, the Oliver Twists' may be yet to come. When Finn and Rose are back aboard the Star Destroyer towards the end of the film, Captain Chromium orders their execution at the hands of the stormtroopers - "aha" I thought "this will be where Finn appeals to the stormtroopers to turn the tide and rise up against their oppressors, Finn himself shows us that stormtroopers are also THE MEEK in this universe". Nope. No such luck.BDT's character displays that when people are selfish and out for themselves, their fellow MEEKs suffer for it, and that's a nice arc, but I do think I as an audience member am truly satisfied until THE MEEK do rise up and INHERIT THE GALAXY. Back to casino-world, though, this theme is certainly present there, but it feels under-served by plot hurrying and the abovementioned tone problem. But we return to casino-world for the very last scene of the film, for a shot of Oliver Twist, which suggests to me that Episode 9 will be a socialist parable about how the working classes must overthrow the rich.

I will say that when Finn was about to go all kamikazi on the big gun, I really thought it was happening, I was gripped. I had conflicted feelings about it, but I thought it fit with his character arc very well; for him to go from scared stormtrooper without even a name who just wants out and not to fight, to rebel hero who gives his own life to save his comrades in a blaze of glory is definitely a hell of a way to go. But I was a bit uncomfortable that it's the black man's life being spent to save the mainly white heroes. Then when Rose pulled in and saved him I thought it was a cop-out, until she explained why, and I fucking love the fact that the resolution of their arc together is to recognise that they, the anonymous grunts of the universe, are worth saving as much as any big flashy Skywalker or Solo.

Hmm... perhaps the apparent reveal of Rey's parentage (which I really hope is 100% true btw), playing into THE MEEK SHALL INHERIT THE GALAXY as well. To be considered during viewing #2.

Dianne from Twin Peak's character was very confusing here. Her acting was flat-out odd and felt very out of place, and I'm really not sure what the point of her was. Am I supposed to think she did fuck up? Am I supposed to think she was right all along? Why didn't she just tell everybody what she was doing? She got herself mutineered by keeping it to herself! Why didn't she just ram the Star Destroyer as soon as she could see they'd turned their attention away from her? Strange strange strange.

BB-8 has, very disappointingly, become prequel R2 D2 in this film. Why does nobody seem to grasp the brilliance of R2 D2 as a character? It's not because he's adorable, and he pops up and just does adorable things for the sake of it; it's because he has purpose! In the original Star Wars film he is paired with a shiny golden godlike-figure who can talk pretty much every language their is, yet is utterly clueless, useless, and self-concerned. R2 is a squat little worker drone who exists to do what he's told and to go and fix things, he's not even alive, he's the very lowest of the low, and he cannot say a word. In the very first scene he's given a task to do, and he goes and fucking does that task. He doesn't do anything showy and superpowered like shitty little prequel R2 would do, he operates completely within his very limited means. All the way through the film he shows singular determination to getting that Death Star blown up, without complaint or regard for his own safety. He encounters space royalty, lofty Jedi masters, hero wunderkinds, and the endless tyrannical might of the Empire; and he knows more than any of them, and he affects the story in more ways than any of them. Who pulls Obi-Wan Kenobi into the fight, setting Luke on his path to become a Jedi, and our protagonists on their path to rescue Leia? R2. Who finds where Obi-Wan needs to go to turn off the tractor beam? R2. Who finds where Leia is? R2. Who turns off the trash compactor and saves our heroes' lives? R2. Who delivers the Death Star plans safely to the rebels? R2. Who is right there on that X-Wing with Luke, saving his bacon and helping him blowing up the Death Star, nearly getting killed himself and doesn't even want a medal? R2. Who's the black private dick who's a sex machine to all the chicks? R2. So when I see BB-8 having a big long extended slapstick comedy scene of fixing the ship, or repairing his own decapitated head, or taking out the casino police by firing coins at them, or killing swathes of stormtroopers while piloting a scout-walker, I shake my head.

So there's a conclusive list of my gripes. Other than this the film is bloody great, guys.

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Excellent rant. Agree about the casino bit

Also, it's impossible to read

50 minutes ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said:

Who's the black private dick who's a sex machine to all the chicks?

without doing it in Issac Hayes' voice. And adding "You're damn right" to the end of it

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For me The Last Jedi had some of the best Star Wars moments:

 

Kylo and Rey vs. Elite Praetorian Guard. Kylo in general. Hyperspacing in to Snoke's ship. Luke vs. Kylo. Luke in general.

and some of the worst Star Wars moments:

 

Some of the comedy, especially the opening Poe and Hux scene, didn't land/felt a little forced. Leia becoming Superman. The entire Finn and Rose subplot (and the forced romance than came with it) which was all deemed pointless in the end. Various subplots from The Force Awakens seemingly abandoned/ignored, e.g. The Knights of Ren. Daisy Ridley not being a very good actress. 

Luckily I was too busy smiling from ear to ear to really let the negatives take away from the film.

Edited by FloorFiller

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4 hours ago, Wooderson said:

The reviews of this on IMDB/Rotten Tomatoes are barbaric. Peeps nae happy.

Happiness comes from being serious with yourself about what you want from life, setting goals, working towards, and achieving them. Not Star Wars.

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