El Matador
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7 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:
If your literal statistic / barometer of a viruses danger to people is literally just 'death' then probably not many.
However, I am 32 and nearly all of the people in my age group (friends) who have caught COVID and had actual symptoms, have had several weeks to months in some cases of those symptoms hanging around.
Whatever spin you want to put on it, that's not a good thing. Particularly as many of those are full time employed.
The aim of restrictions has always been to ensure that people that need hospital care have access to it.
I've no doubt that catching covid is very unpleasant for a lot of under 40s. However it's not, and never has been, justification for imposing or maintaining restrictions.
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3 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:
Last time I checked the economy in the UK was open?
Have you taken a walk down the high street recently or actually been to a pub?
True that the majority (although not all) businesses are open. However being open and being profitable are not the same thing.
Normally pubs would be absolutely rammed at this time of year - summer with a major football tournament on. Money made during this time would then keep them afloat during the quieter periods.
Instead capacity is severely limited and they have to pay extra staff to provide table service.
Being open is not the same as being sustainable.
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5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
Couldn't you argue that June 21st is a completely arbitrary date? Why does it have to be that date, why not a different date when we will know with more certainty that things are good?
I completely agree that June 21st is entirely arbitrary. I'd much rather have seen a genuine "data not dates" approach rather than the approach the government have taken.
However, given that this is the approach we've got, I can't agree with delaying removing or easing restrictions unless there's clear evidence that there's a credible risk of exceeding NHS capacity. If this time next week that looks credible then by all means delay it. If not then we need to push ahead.
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26 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:
It's a silly comment - you have no idea what the lay of the land is going to be in a few weeks time and then when the restrictions get lifted.
They need to get every adult group 18+ fully vaccinated or have offered them vaccinations and that won't be by June 21st. Just get the job done once and do it properly, I have no issues with it being pushed back a few weeks to vaccinate as many as possible.
We really don't have overly intense restrictions at the moment as it is anyway.
Why is vaccinating everyone 18 and over the threshold? Why not under 18 as well?
It's a completely arbitrary parameter.
Decision should be based entirely on whether there is a credible risk of the NHS capacity being exceeded. If not then there's no justification for maintaining restrictions.
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51 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
I’ve said before that government support should continue.
This should become an economic issue and should focus on whether Rishi Sunak is spending enough money to support those businesses.
It's not rishi sunak's money - it's ours. Every week this goes on plunges us further into debt and lowers the living standards for us and future generations.
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5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
I’m sorry but I disagree, there might be protests to some degree but I really can’t any civil unrest if some restrictions stay in place. Especially considering what things were like only 2 months ago.
Yes it will suck and people will be annoyed I’m sure but I think many will carry on and enjoy what they can do now.
Hope you're right but I don't see it. If the kids can't party legally then they're going to party illegally and that's when problems start.
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11 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
‘Hopefully we get some civil unrest’.
That’s a bit over the top, go take a look at what civil unrest can lead too. Calm down.
I agree that it's not something anyone wants to see. Unfortunately I fear it's inevitable if restrictions are retained after 21st June.
Kids were told last summer no partying otherwise you might kill your nan. This summer nan has had two doses of vaccine. If they're still being told there's no partying it's not going to sit well.
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6 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:
Why would it just be 2 weeks though? Could easily drag on and on.
Also why does something have to be having a horrendous impact on your mental health to want it gone? We have had 18 months of this shite. I want full normality back ASAP. Not 2 hour time slots at pubs, not pre booking everything, not limited numbers. Everything back ASAP.
The longer we wait the less of summer will be left obv.
Completely agree. Why is it fine in July but not on 21st June?
The aim of restrictions was to avoid hospital capacity being exceeded. There's not any evidence to suggest that is a threat so what are we waiting for?
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23 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:
Ignore the source - it's just aggregating quotes as far as I'm concerned and i don't care what their motivations are...
Two very differing views. Are we sure Scotland has abandoned zero covid? Because that particular issue will still be a problem until every child is double vaccinated...
Ludicrous scaremongering. I'd bet statistically there is more chance of a young child ending up in hospital due to having an accident in the soft play area than there is through contracting covid when they're there.
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7 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:
House parties (although plenty are having them already) and nightclubs are the two big things that could be back come 21 June.
Also allows businesses to operate without social distancing which can be the difference between running at a profit and running at a loss for a lot of places.
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5 minutes ago, Matt42 said:
Media is now wall to wall lockdown delay. It’s going to happen isn’t it? The media have snapped it up and it will force the government to do it.
As of today, there is no reason to delay it. All hinges on the next 2 weeks and I'm hoping that good weather plus the vaccines will keep things where we need them.
Going to be a hard sell to delay the date if deaths and hospitalisations stay where they are now.
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5 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:
Was nearly impossible to even order a meal in certain parts of Spain, their grasp of English is very poor.
Difficult to get a decent full English and find a boozer showing coronation street as well
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33 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:
To be honest the only areas of Spain I've been to that weren't complete dives were the areas that were Brits abroad enclaves like Salou, Benidorm and certain parts of the islands.
One time I went to Valencia. Never again.
This has to be a wind up surely? Nobody can genuinely believe that benidorm is the best Spain has to offer.
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17 minutes ago, steviewevie said:
parkrun struggling to restart.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/may/21/parkrun-return-england-delayed-venues-reluctant-reopen
This is sad. Parkrun is an amazing thing and has been responsible for thousands and thousands of people taking up running. The health benefits of this are enormous and contribute to extending people's life expectancy.
The narrative that protecting people from covid is all the matters needs to shift now if we want to avoid the cure being worse than the disease.
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9 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:
Is it really necessary? We've gone from only the vulnerable to every adult - surely not THAT much has changed to stop us from opening up when we're waiting for a few 25 and under to be protected if that timeline happens? Where has our sense of normal risk gone?
Completely agree. When did the aim change from "protect the NHS" to "stop anyone getting sick"?
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Saw some footage of the Blossoms gig. Great to see the return to normality.
5000 people and 4900 of them watching it through their phone screen.
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1 hour ago, steviewevie said:
Interesting and grim thread/article about lost years to covid.
Can that really be true that the average victim would have lived for another 10 years? Median age of covid victims in the UK is 83 according to the ONS.
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3 hours ago, JoeyT said:
Scenes.
Is 0.8% still towards the low end of the false positive PCR rate?
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25 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:
Can't believe some people are still pretending they don't understand the caution is mainly over variants developing that can bypass some of the immunity
If we keep restrictions because of the potential for variants that can bypass the vaccines then restrictions will need to be in place indefinitely. It's not a valid reason to maintain restrictions.
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1 hour ago, Ozanne said:
You've regularly judged people (including myself) throughout the pandemic so maybe you take some of your own advice. Weren't a few weeks ago you were criticising people that didn't want to break the restrictions?
My mind is quite open on this issue as all I've said is that staff should be given the choice to continue working remotely, I'm hardly calling for a revolution. Loads of people seem actually happier WFH so why not let that continue and give them that option. Obviously some will want to come back to the office which is completely fair so they'll have that option as well. The businesses that give staff that flexibility will be the ones that skilled workers will move towards.
Its very simplistic to say if people want to work from home then they should be allowed to. In some industries I can see why this is fair enough. For a lot of industries there is a clear reduction in efficiency to have people WFH though so employers are not going to pay the same wage to get less output.
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2 hours ago, jannybruck said:
As someone who works in the hospitality sector it'd be an absolute pain in the arse if these dates were moved, however good it might be for profits. They've given these dates and all the suppliers, contracts, staff, ecosystems etc have been lined up accordingly and according to the bookings/expected capacity. Going "surprise! you can open a week early!" without decent notice would be a total shitshow for a lot of places who'd end up scrabbling around in a panic to sort stuff out. Not fun.
Whilst I'm not disputing it would be a pain, I don't think it's reason enough to deny hard hit businesses the chance to open 1 or 2 weeks early.
Unfortunately I don't think there's a hope that they'll bring it forward though, irrespective of what the data is telling us.
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18 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:
That waffling about the "covid certification" tells me it's in at stage 4. He just kept talking and talking
Completely agree. Was very vague about having a vote in Parliament on it as well.
Increasingly resigned to the fact that its coming in and that it won't be going away.
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6 hours ago, shoptildrop said:
I can only see the need for them for international travel whilst other countries are still working on their vaccine program... for the UK once we have majority jabbed up as per current timeline I'm not seeing the point especially if only being use for certain things but not others..
For example you need passport to go and see the footy but not in the crowded train to get there or the pub you visit afterwards to celebrate/commiserate - it just seems a waste of time but I'm sure some Tory donors are going to make stacks of cash on yet another useless app 😞
This whole thing just sounds like noise to distract from something else and probably go out in a whimper not to be used once someone else has made loads of money from it IMO
I'll be delighted if you were right regarding it disappearing with a whimper. However I fear that scanning a QR code to attend events is here to stay.
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6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:
they don't want to open too much at same time...and shops take priority because of the economy.
The only shop the vast majority of people go into is the supermarket which has been open the whole time. Non essential shops with masks and limited numbers are going to have no discernable impact on numbers.
When will this shit end?
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Agree with this. People's risk perception has been completely skewed, which is perfectly understandable given what happened over the last 15 months.
As soon as you change the aim to "let's save every life possible" then we're resigned to a never ending loop of lockdowns.