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Before you go down on their roadie for a ticket keep in mind it's not even a real gig let alone sold out 😛

London Stadium is way too ambitious as that is where the real stadium bands play. MK stadium for the “London” date if their stadium tour is a real thing.

So where are we thinking the Def Leppard stadium show will be? Knebworth, Wembley Stadium or Grimsby Town's ground?

Def Leppard are touring next year which includes festival dates too…

The mad thing is Bloodstock which is meant to be the super niche metal festival is oddly more embracing of acts as they just go crazy for everything. Mid-sized festivals are always the best.

With Download the rules are very easy, unless they were on the poster the previous year everyone can’t plays as they are a R&L type pop act or they haven’t proved themselves yet. The only exception is if they have played Monsters of Rock.

Also vice versa Sheryl Crow and Miley Cyrus have both done covers of Nothing Else Matters and Sweet Child Of Mine without Metallica and Guns n Roses suddenly becoming pop bands. I could understand if a black metal fan was calling Biffy pop but Gazza is lightweight when it comes to heavy music though.

You can't have it both ways and say Novemeber Rain is a rock ballad but Many Of Honor is pop balland. They are as poppy as each and both rather tame to other metal ballads like A Deathless Song by Parkway Drive or Cradle Of Filth's Nymphetamine

Gazza did actually go for the day, I was amazed as he praised Alestom but called Korn boring. Despite not being a metal fan Gazza was more up for Download than me in fairness, I looked at the clashfinder and said sod that as all the interesting bands were on at the same time which is what does my head in about Download.

Yeah, I meant in 2017. They headlined Soni in 2011 which was 6 years afterwards and at that point Download had already stepped up booking more and more olders bands.

On Biffy; I just see it as Download fucking up and waiting too long to have them as a headliner. If they had got Biffy to headline the year after Soni, Reading or even before then Downloaders would have cheered and fondly remembered them as one of their bands who proved themselves at Download but as they have gone off and done the rounds at other festivals they are just seen as another R&L indie type band despite their long history with the fest. Headlining Download off Opposites and Only Revolutions would have helped too. That and they headlined once Download started doubling down on the same ol' old bookings so the regulars have become even more insular with their taste now.

Current setlist but a few old songs like Diamonds Aren't Forever come back. I'm curious if Download backs Bring Me by booking a few acts like You Me At Six, Deez Nuts, Babymetal, Nova Twins, Evanescence, Cradle Of Filth etc throughout the fest so they can have guests on to really smash it.

I'd be shocked if Download goes 4 days from now on even if there's a weak headliner. They struggle with just 3 headliners every year already, even next year they are a headliner short and need Metallica to play twice.

Why would Bring Me get the same length as Parkway? Bring Me are legit headliners and should be treated as such.

The way you go on about them you make it sound like Status Quo aren't a Download band. lol

Do you only ever read my posts on here? I was replying back to someone who brought them up like the other times.

Ah my favourite part of the Download discussion. When talking about any new band possibly headlining Download they are either labelled not big enough or a R&L act so they should book AC/DC, Metallica and Guns n Roses instead as that's more realistic.

I really hope Yungblud get announced as headlining next year just so I can watch Chad explode over the news.

Rock bands that aren't metal shouldn't be at Download as it will ruin the integrity and credibility of the festival! The conversation then turns to Die Antwoord sub headlining the festival. lol

I’ve got no interest in seeing them at Reading this year but the idea of watching a stunned Download crowd trying to process what the fuck 100 Gecs are actually sounds fun.

The sad thing is Chvrches playing was deliberate talk of curveballs that probably won’t happen whilst Status Quo headlining wasn’t.

Read what I posted again.

The thing is just because a band isn’t metal or punk it doesn’t make them indie either. Like IDLES are not indie, punk or metal. Alt rock is a massive genre and now with a big hole to fill as R&L are moving away from rock a lot of these acts haven’t got a fest to play and cross over far more than you would think if people actually listened to them.

Yep but we are talking curveballs and it is probably the over reaction I could see to try and make the line up more young and mainstream when they could of just booked IDLES instead.

They played The 02 arena not too long ago. If they were a metal band they would be in for a shout as Download headliners at this point.