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Well here's another: https://www.thepinknews.com/2020/04/03/lgb-alliance-neo-nazi-homophobia-spinster-death-head-charity-commission/ that links them to neo-nazis, and their founders have said positive things about "Posie Parker" who was referenced as the organiser of the rally where Mein Kampf was directly quoted. They post a lot of the sort of insidious, first-level hate speech stuff that's equivalent to "puppet of the Jewish bankers", while hanging out with the people who post the equivalents of the blood libel.

Yeah. They're literally a hate group designed to bully trans people. Their founders and prominent allies stand around supporting people who quote Mein Kampf positively: https://www.thepinknews.com/2023/01/16/newcastle-let-women-speak-rally-adolt-hitler-trans-speech/

It's always been the case in our media, at least in my lifetime. Farage on his own has had more appearances on Question Time than everyone involved with the Green Party altogether. Not to mention T*mmy R*b*ns*n and similar.

I'd question why someone would want to link to the KKK, LGB Alliance, Stormfront, or similar.

I'm going to respond to this one more, and this one only, because this is a thread about UK politics, not forum moderation. I just felt that given your accusations, it was important to address these things publicly: The "facts" you've complained about being hidden/moderated have been you calling another forum user something insulting. We're not hiding or restricting links to sources, to pieces of news, etc, we're hiding people throwing insults and accusations at each other. And if you want to talk about cliquey things being forum death - way back ~2009 on these forums, you told me and others off for having a personal argument on these forums - saying that was just cliquey arguments and that these forums weren't about us. I respected that then, and I wish you'd respect that now. Bringing personal arguments onto the forums, and dragging the conversation around to what you specifically know/believe about other individuals is cliquey, isn't welcoming to people outside of that. That is exactly what we've been moderating you for, and exactly what we're trying to reduce.

Neil, this isn't "censorship" to try and prevent criticism. It's to cut down on the endless personal arguments that have been plaguing the thread since COVID. We've been working together, with Iggy, to try and ensure the forum is a welcoming place for everyone. Our communication is about applying consistency between us and how we're all treating all users, not about a "cosy friends club" as you referred to it a couple of weeks ago. You aren't the only regular on these forums that has had some degree of moderation applied to them over the past months, but we're trying to deal with each person individually and privately, and not discuss how other people get restricted. We made a joint decision to try and get personal arguments off the forums. If people want to have them by DM that's fine, and that also means that anyone who finds any personal arguments too unpleasant can end them by blocking the other user. However, arguments being constantly and repeatedly personal is off-putting to people outside that, and does shut down a wider discussion. This has always been the case, and you yourself used to call out ongoing personal conversations on this forum to say "this isn't about you". The politics threads aren't about who you dislike, they're a space to discuss politics. Threads like this inherently create arguments, and inherently get passionate, and we're not trying to stop that, but we want to make sure that it isn't so personal that others don't feel comfortable participating. No moderation team, anywhere on the internet, gets things perfect, but I'm pleased with the shift that has been happening, and your complaints - whether public or private - so far seem like they're based on being upset that we're trying to keep fights off the public forums. Once again, keeping threads on topic, and reducing the personal attacks isn't "censorship". The vast majority of your posts - and those of others who have been put on pre-moderation in recent months - have been approved. We're not shutting down anything because we don't agree with it, anything like that we're calling out ourselves, as other forum users, not as moderators. Please make an effort to understand and respect, that what we're doing isn't personal, and isn't cliquey. Hopefully once we've finalised the forum/website rules and posted them that'll add further clarity, but until then, please take away the reminder that we're hiding personal attacks that don't help foster an inclusive discussion.

One of my friends watched this and said you could see in Farage's face that he thought Trump was far too nutty and right-wing. I'm taking his word for it, but if so... wow.

Keir Starmer would attempt that anyway.

You mean the one day thing when Abbott is asked to go on a week-long one?

I agree with Abbott and Corbyn's suspensions, but why were they asked to take antisemitism/similar training, when Neil Coyle wasn't asked to take Sinophobia training?

I don't give much credence to those opinions tbh. I think the problems this season aren't really to do with the manager. I'm also not really sure there's a big name I want that'd consider joining.

To be clear, I don't think good times are on the way, just less sh*t times. There's enough just obvious, basic stuff to change that'll create some improvement.

By trade up do you mean the manager? As I'd say Howe's done plenty to earn a longer chance.

Some of the growth will just naturally come from there being trust in there being a stable government for the next 10 years. Add in that the country will no longer be losing as much money to corruption, and there will just be some natural, inherent growth that's been choked out by the Tories. Other growth will be triggered just by spending on the basics. If you get more money in the pockets of working classes, they instantly spend it because it's actually really hard emotionally to save when you've been struggling. Whether this is a big night out, on a new fridge when the old one is almost but not quite dead, a nice outfit, or whatever, if money gets into the pockets of people who've been skint and tight, it'll get spent and chain into more growth. I think after Labour's first budget, regardless of what's in it, there'll be a starting point for some growth. My fear is largely that they don't utilise it enough to turn the spending taps on and trigger more.

Have you seen the difference in how good Wilson, Joelinton, Schar, Murphy, Almiron, Longstaff have been under Howe compared to Bruce? And Lascalles has been back to the level he was under Benitez instead of how he was playing under Bruce. I didn't rate Gordon when we signed him, but he's been magnificent this season. I'd argue that the only player that regressed under Howe was ASM, and that's because the system under Bruce was "pass it to Allan and hope his trickery gets a corner". And he's been sold on.

I saw a piece a month or two ago saying that Tonali was using this time wher ehe couldn't play to settle into the city/country more, while still training hard, which if true, makes me hopeful for next season. In the game's Tonali was good, he could break up play effectively and turn it into going forward, but Bruno can do that as well. I get the concept that they're similar, but they're also both quite all-round box-to-box midfielders, so I'm hoping that somehow between our midfielders we can get a functioning system. The squad depth thing absolutely showed in the game yesterday though. A quadruple substitution and 3 of the players brought on are teenagers.

Tonali had a couple of games where he looked insanely good. He was ridiculous in the opening Villa game, and our 2nd best player after Pope in the draw at Milan. I don't know how much the upcoming gambling ban affected him after that. I'm not convinced by the "Tonali and Bruno don't mesh well together" noises without seeing more to justify that. I think the biggest problem is squad depth - basically we didn't have our summer signings for various reasons, and Wilson has gone back into the injury cycle that's plagued his career. Add in more games and an injury crisis creating a chain-reaction of just most of the squad being permanently barely fit, and it's just difficult.

Neil Coyle is a racist c**t and shouldn't be in the Labour party.

£3k to go to Rwanda is definitely a great deal. Just like convicts being pardoned the death penalty to go to Australia was a great deal. It's not a real offer. It's a threat disguised as a bribe.

I realise that! I'm just referencing the quick mentality. I'd pay good money to pelt corrupt politicians with rotten fruit.

US and UK should have stopped all weapons supply months ago. But yeah, there needs to be consequences applied by Israel's allies.

It's one of the classic right-wing populist things. Who cares about the rights of criminals? I'm not a criminal so it couldn't affect me.... But every civilised society has also abolished it (yes I'm saying the USA isn't a civilised society).

Referendum on capital punishment probably.

Can you explain what you mean by this? I think I know, but I'm being hopeful that I'm misinterpreting you.

It's absolutely batshit, considering the horrendous sh*t she spouted and culture she created while Home Secretary, that we would now talk about her as a "moderate Tory". Evil, evil woman, and still somehow better than a lot of them.