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On 9/16/2023 at 1:33 AM, steven.dowling said:
Why is everyone so sure that iron maiden, rammstein and avenged sevenfold are headlining?
People with a track record of getting these things correct have said it’s the case
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2 hours ago, jcarb said:
If we’re thinking an artist in the last 10 years why are we not including Metallica in the mix? They’d pull a different demographic and with them helping sell out Download this year.
Plus stranger things making them super super known to everyone.Metallica are playing 2 night in Canada over the Reading/Leeds weekend next year, so they can be ruled out
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2 hours ago, Andre91 said:
If they’re in need of a sub, I can’t see them forking out any extra cash to get someone else in, especially seeing how the festival has sold out now. Shifting Disturbed, a legacy band who will pull a massive crowd anyway, one slot up makes sense to me.
Metallica / Disturbed / Clutch / Ice Nine Kills
How about Metallica / Disturbed / Alexisonfire / Coheed / Ice Nine Kills on main
Placebo / Clutch / Three Days Grace on second?
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3 hours ago, Swansea93 said:
Are all the logo slots filled now? So definitely no Limp Bizkit/Turnstile/Sum 41 to be announced in the future?
Based on the full line-up from last year (and assuming maybe 5 bands per stage on the Thursday) there are 15-20 bands left to announce.
Saturday subheadliner feels like the biggest missing slot but Thursday and Sunday are also probably short 1 decent size band each.
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14 hours ago, thewayiam said:
Not a chance Pedulum doing 3rd on main, it's way too light for them. If Placebo can headline second then so can Pendulum. Placebo only did an arena tour recently as it was a 20 years tour, their usual is an academy tour maybe with a little lager London date as you can sell it there.
Pendulum are a difficult one to place because it’s been so long since they actually toured so it’s a guessing game what the demand is.
However, in a year where Alter Bridge, Ghost, Parkway, Evanescence, FFDP, Pantera, Prodigy, Nightwish, Limp Bizkit, Incubus, Tenacious D, QOTSA, MGK etc are all on the festival circuit Pendulum being booked as 3rd down doesn’t seem impossible
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1 hour ago, Spiral_Low said:
I think Korn are gonna headline for that exact reason - bigger crowd than Biffy proving they will draw people in.
That’s not how it works though, KoRn have been getting bigger crowds than headliners for two decades and yet have never made a jump to headliner because those people who fill the field at Download don’t show up to KoRn tours or buy their albums.
If even 25% of the people who watched KoRn at Download bought their new album they would probably be a headliner but the people in that field only care about KoRn 1 weekend a year
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1 minute ago, Sparticus said:
Not sure where the MGK rumour came from? Do we know where the Placebo rumour came from?
Placebo are playing Hurricane and Southside festivals the week after Download so festival maths puts them in the conversation
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54 minutes ago, thewayiam said:
My thinking is if BMTH accepted to be on the second stage at Reading but as a 'headliner' then I don't see them turning down being billed as a Download headliner and The Prodigy as a dance closer kind of thing.
This is such a dishonest characterisation of the BMTH situation.
They headlined Reading and Leeds, there’s no inverted commas about it.
R&L has 2, equally sized and equally promoted, main stages and all 6 acts are billed as headliners. You make it sound like they played the old NME tent but lobbied to get a bigger logo on the poster.
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2 hours ago, thewayiam said:
You are missing the point though that the last time Biffy Clyro headlined, ADTR was the sub.
But Biffy have a sound that has changed to may more poppy. They've got the songs to make a Download setlist but they chose not to. I was quite happy with the undercard although Rise Against was disappointing but I sent in the hope the set like others stated would be heavier.
ADTR was the sub but AFI were 3rd, a slot they were nowhere near big enough for. Plus the likes of Sikth, Hacktivist and Of Mice & Men were on main, it was a jumbled mess of a line up then too.
This isn’t exclusive to Biffy, it’s a consistent trend going back to MCR in 2007. Book a slightly left field headliner, make no attempt to cater to their fanbase, stack a “Download favourite” against them on second stage and then shrug and say “well we gave them a shot” when it doesn’t work.
If they can cater entire main stage days for classic rock acts they can do the same for mainstream rock acts, or pop punk acts or any other genre, they just choose not to.
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1 hour ago, thewayiam said:
Unfortunately I feel you are very lost here. I will make it extremely clear. Fans of Biffy didn't pay £100 for a day ticket because they could not justify the rest of the undercard for it. In reality, Download don't book a mass of bands that suit what the Biffy fan these days is looking for. You can't have it both ways. I actually really liked the undercard for Download on Sunday.
Exactly this. The factor that when you book Download style bands in general below Maiden, below Slipknot, below SOAD and Rammstein etc you will book bands to align.
Something like A Day To Remember, Frank Carter, Funeral For a Friend, Creeper, Boston Manor, Wargasm would have made for a much more compelling undercard for a Biffy day and you can’t say it’s “not Download” when literally every one of those bands was already on the bill
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29 minutes ago, Spiral_Low said:
I'm thinking reason no announcement yet is that 4 of the logo bands still have tours coming up. I.e. Machine Head, Amon Amarth, Parkway Drive and Lamb Of God. 2 subs, 2 3rd down. So maybe announcement in a couple weeks once Machine Head and Amon Amarth done their UK leg of their tour? Then we'll get headliners, them and rest of logo bands apart from LOG and PD.
When you add in Trivium, Gojira, Bullet and Alter Bridge all having tours with Halestorm supporting AB, While She Sleeps supporting Parkway and Architects supporting Biffy it’s realistic that all of the subs and 3rd place bands are blocked from being announced right now
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32 minutes ago, charlie.light said:
They need to put out an album like drones again, simulation theory and will of the people are pretty poor
They’ve reached a point where album quality is irrelevant, just like Foo Fighters and Green Day.
Green Day just did a hugely successful stadium tour and didn’t play a single song from their last 5 albums. People don’t go to see bands if that level to hear new material.
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20 hours ago, VCK said:
The bands I named aren't really Indie and are in a similar ballpark to Biffy Clyro. They will definitely have some crossover appeal with the crowd.
I think it would be really interesting to see how Download would look today if the indie day experiment has gone well in 2005.
I believe Blink were originally booked as the headliner and then dropped out. If they played and went down well would we have seen Green Day, Paramore, Panic, Fall Out Boy etc headline by now?
If they would have got someone like Muse or Foo Fighters instead of Feeder (latching onto those bands before they hit stadium level) would Download be more accepting of someone like Biffy in 2022? Could we have seen Pearl Jam headline by now?
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6 hours ago, guylin29 said:
Would be nice to have some Rivals Sons/Clutch/Greta Van Fleet vibes mixed in with the heavy tuneage. They would be good support for Metallica.
I would like to see a lineup like this?... (Just predicting for a bit of fun)
Thursday: Bring Me The Horizon // Trivium // Gojira
Friday: My Chemical Romance // Architects // Dropkick Murphy's
Saturday: Metallica // Ghost // Rival Sons
Sunday: Muse // Royal Blood // Maneskin or Greta Van Fleet
BMTH, MCR and Muse all in one year would possibly be seen as too big of a departure from the usual but I’d be well up for a line up like that
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2 hours ago, VCK said:
A good move would be to get a headliner with crossover appeal, such as QOTSA or Royal Blood.
They’ve tried that before with Muse and Biffy and it hasn’t really paid off because they make no attempt to make it worthwhile to fans of those acts.
You can bet if QOTSA headlined they would fill the main stage with Classic Rock and Metalcore bands and then stick someone like Judas Priest up against them on 2nd stage.
They need a more substantial shift, if they book a crossover act as a headliner then book a complimentary main stage that day and maybe a similar leaning 2nd stage the next day.
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9 hours ago, thewayiam said:
They are a lot more poppy than they were. That new unamed 1 song, it isn't rocky is it.
The main riff in that song is probably heavier than anything Kiss have ever done but nobody every debates if they’re too pop to headline.
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25 minutes ago, Benj said:
There is no chance some random Eurovision band pitches up at Reading having never played in the country before.
90% of goers wouldn’t even have ever heard of them. I hadn’t!
Since winning Eurovision they’ve had 3 different songs in the UK charts, the last 2 both in the top 10.
They also currently have the 4th most streamed song in the world on Spotify (and the 15th).
Id say the majority of the Reading and Leeds audience would be fully aware of them at this point.
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15 hours ago, gabrielomachado said:
can't see them doing festival circuit without playing rock am ring and download
They’re literally in Europe next June, doing the festival circuit and not playing either of those festivals.
Their European tour starts literally 3 days after Download finishes (and Nova Rock and Sweden Rock) so it’s not like they’re in Europe at the end of summer and it wouldn’t have worked with their schedule.
I do think they have a decent chance of coming back in 2023 but the logic of “they’re playing European festivals in June 2022 so therefore they’re nailed on to play other European festivals in June 2023” doesn’t stack up to me.
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24 minutes ago, Spiral_Low said:
How do you define right idea though? I was there in '05 and saw Feeder. Could walk down to the front it was a sparse crowd.
Good idea, poor execution. Feeder were never a festival headliner and Download putting them in that slot was destined to fail.
If they would have gone all out for someone like Muse or Foo Fighters instead with a QOTSA or Placebo as a sub it probably would have been much more successful.
As it was it’s just another piece of evidence Andy Copping can point to and say “see the fans don’t want anything different”
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13 hours ago, Gerard the Fab said:
I sort of blanked out while doing it, disappointed MCR weren’t on the list tbh
It’s for 2022, they have their stadium dates rearranged for that summer.
The likes of GNR, Biffy and Green Day likely fall into the same bucket as they’re already confirmed elsewhere for next summer
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4 hours ago, thewayiam said:
You kind of sum what I say up though. Biffy headlining is never going to get a fuck yeah reaction. So whoever you book below them like AFI for eg...agreed 4th down would have been about right but actually subbing Zippo realistically, is not going to be a great choice.
If you booked that top 3 at Reading for eg, the likes of would be all over it because it's likely at that time the rest of the day would have included more bands to appeal. I mean take Hacktivist and Sikth off of that day and it wouldn't have been that far fetched to book it for Reading. But even they would have had AFI one more slot down but you get my point. This argument was heavily mentioned.
So in reality. You can book what you want below them, ADTR obviously at the time made very Downloadesque music. But you've actually got the band that the majority goer paid to go to Download for playing on the opposite stage. And this is why I think they don't fit.
Deftones and Gojira for example would in my opinion again alienate a lot of the headliner crowd. There would be crossover but you get the point. Someone I know is in the minority of who loves metal so Download has a lot of bands but also will lap Biffy up. In fact, they would go more for that than say The Offspring. I just thought if Nova Rock didn't have Alterbridge are they about?, and I thought Distubed were about but clearly not.
For me Download had the right idea with the Biffy day last time but the execution was poor and if it was my choice I’d try the same style of day again but with bigger bands and see if it works.
With Reading moving more and more away from rock music there is definitely an audience out there that aren’t being served by any major festivals. If Download really committed to it they could grab that audience but history suggests they’ll make a half hearted attempt at it and then revert back to their safe choices when they see any backlash.
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18 minutes ago, thewayiam said:
I think Korn are more likely under Maiden. Can't see Biffy not having a rock band sub. It's an unlikely idea but what about The Offspring subbing instead? They have dates to sell so won't be announced yet and they are free Sunday. Either way I can see me going as I wanted to this year.
I really hope so, works better for all involved with KoRn before Maiden and a rock band before Biffy but they were happy to have Gojira and Deftones before Biffy in 2021 so who knows.
If Download aren’t willing to try something fresh then Offspring would be a good shout;
Biffy / Offspring / Frank Carter / Rise Against
Looks good to me
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3 hours ago, Andre91 said:
KISS / Deftones / Frank
Maiden / KoRn / Volbeat
Biffy / Architects / Gojira
That’s what I think we’ll get. Although I could absolutely see Alter Bridge returning and Architects being ignored.Volbeat are at Nova Rock on the Saturday.
I wouldn’t bet against;
KISS / Deftones / Frank Carter / Black Veil Brides
Maiden / FFDP / Gojira / Pretty Reckless
Biffy / KoRn / Volbeat / Rise Against
It’s just about stupid and counterproductive enough to be believable
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2 hours ago, Andre91 said:
KISS / Alter Bridge / Volbeat / Black Label Society / Monster Truck / Theory / Wayward Sons
Megadeth / Distillers
The Ghost Inside
Electric Wizard
Iron Maiden / KoRn / Gojira / The Pretty Reckless / Alestorm / Powerwolf / Those Damn Crows / The Raven Age
Killswitch Engage / Mastodon
Funeral For A Friend
Sepultura
Biffy Clyro / Architects / Frank Carter & The Rattlesnakes / Rise Against / Code Orange / Jinjer / Thy Art Is Murder / Wage War
Steel Panther / The Darkness
Descendants
Periphery
That's what we will end up with, I think. It should be Architects subbing. It should be The Offspring headlining 2nd on Friday. It should be Sabaton playing in a logo position. I doubt we will get any of those.
I understand that they are, as said above, flogging the festival to people who have mostly rolled their tickets over for the last two years so the lineup is doing the same but it was a stale looking lineup in 2020, it's even worse in 2022.
This festival is really stuck in a rut.
I’m not sure Black Label will get 4th on the bill, they’ve specifically separated Pretty Reckless and Rise Against out from the pack so I doubt BLS will get the same slot as them.
I expect Black Veil Brides to get the final 4th on the bill slot with BLS dropping to 5th. Probably means you lose Code Orange from your prediction with maybe Monster Truck shifting into that slot on the Biffy day.
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It’s not 100% comparable because they removed all logos from last years poster but 4th on main was given the “big bold font” treatment last year, rather than being lumped into the alphabetical lists. On the Saturday 5th on main even got that billing due to Creeper being a surprise. Sometimes it’s just about looking good on a poster.