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13 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:
So it seems vaccination numbers are more important than anything making the remotest bit of sense. People in this situation have just recovered from the very infection they're getting an injection to stop a severe outcome against.
Of all the things Tony Blair and his lot are campaigning for this one seems the most pointless.
It’s a bit optimistic to think people are waiting for the 28 days. If you’d had 2 doses and then had covid and it was just a cold, on what planet would you be eager for more doses?
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39 minutes ago, mcshed said:
Which we were at the start by slowing the initial catastrophic wave that could have completely overwhelmed the health service and which we were last January when we were jabbing hundreds of thousands a day pushing infections back to when more people were vaccinated.
A lockdown now would be mad but it doesn't mean lockdowns aren't useful. Hopefully they will never again be used in my lifetime they are awful but prolonging a pandemic is what they are designed to do.
You’re missing the point again. Prolonging the pandemic but not significantly changing the outcome is completely counter productive.
In particular the decision to close schools and limit young peoples social life made virtually zero difference to hospital rates and deaths but delayed their exposure to the virus and in fact probably it MORE dangerous for them to mix with the elderly when restrictions were relaxed as they were more likely to be infected as they had no immunity.
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34 minutes ago, mcshed said:
Which was the exact point, Lockdown 1 was when we were faced with a new deadly disease that we didn't understand and there was no natural immunity to, see we did what we could to slow down the initial wave and yes "prolong the pandemic" but in such a manner as to save lives. The shilly shallying about in Autumn 2020 was less well defined but the January 2021 Lockdown was when we had vaccines but needed time to get them in arms so we slowed down the spread with a lockdown and yes "prolonged the pandemic" so that more people had a vaccine when they were infected.
Honestly lockdowns "prolonged the pandemic" is one of the weirdest criticisms out there, it's exactly what lockdowns are for to slow down the spread of the disease. Not sensible at the moment and probably not needed again this pandemic but a totally sensible tool against that saves lives by slowing the spread.
It only makes sense to prolong the pandemic is you are drastically changing the outcome of it.
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Surely we’re well past the point in believing lockdowns make a huge difference?
Is there a commonly believed myth that the vast majority of people were at home?
Roughly 50% of people in employment were still going out to work during lockdown 1.
The other 50% would have contained a good percentage that went to the supermarket on a weekly basis.
It didn’t stop covid spreading, it only prolonged the pandemic.
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“Independent SAGE releases its covid strategy”
An adult wrote that. Embarrassing group of people.
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1 hour ago, zahidf said:
In response to this tweet.
I feel sorry for Fake SAGE'S kids. Saying that I imagine her daughter is lying and taking her mask off a lot
Such a depressing read, that poor child will take years to get over this.
She clearly doesn’t see that she is the cause of her daughters anxiety.
And to top it off this is what she’s making her wear. She’s probably getting bullied on top.
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1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said:
I guess this is the counterpoint - whatever the reasons and whoever fault, this is the reality we live in.
11th December 2020
And you could replace that with any year for the last 10-15 and the same would be true.
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2 hours ago, Barry Fish said:
It's a shame they shit the bed on masks in schools though
I would imagine that was some sort of compromise with the militant union who more than likely wanted schools closed.
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To be honest most times I check this thread on the off chance Toilet Duck has added something insightful.
Usually though it’s just dullards like stevie replying for the sake of it.
If everyone had moved on he’d be in here replying to his own posts. Just can’t help himself.
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1 minute ago, jannybruck said:
I don't speak for women, and I don't pretend to. But when this thread shifted over to the new one there were two or three regular female posters who said in the main Glasto forum that they wouldn't be coming back in here because they didn't like the tone of it anymore. Plenty of posters had their gender listed and/or a female avatar – I'm sure if you compare the regulars in the old one to this new one you'll see who dropped off. That's entirely down to the language used and the fact they didn't feel comfortable here contributing any more.
The nature of this topic is emotional and can get heated but the relentless daily barrage of reposting Pagel/Deepti and going "what a stupid fucking twat, stupid woman" grinds people down who popped in here for information and discussion. I don't expect the regulars in here to ever acknowledge the thread has a problem because it's so deeply entrenched by now, but I'm just telling you why some people don't come here now and it's very much an outlier with the rest of the forum.
Anyway, have a great NYE everyone, I'm off to the pub to get royally pissed.
So they all went to other thread to call Boris, Hancock, Javid, Sunak etc c**ts.
What’s the difference?
Deepti and Pagel just happen to be the two most prominent lockdown enthusiasts and fear mongers. Ferguson for example gets the same treatment whenever he crawls out from under his rock as do many others who don’t tweet scare stories 50 times per day like those two do.
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5 hours ago, jannybruck said:
1/3 patients not being treated for covid.
Why is there a sudden shift to admit that this is the case? It’s been that way since day 1.
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At what point have Heneghan, Gupta and Balloux been listened to by ministers?
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42 minutes ago, DeanoL said:
I would argue the NHS did collapse I the first wave.
We keep saying "collapse" but what does that mean to people? It's not like all the electric will go out in every hospital and all the doctors will just vanish.
All that will happen if hospitalizations get bad is that the standard of care drops. More non-COVID treatment get cancelled, more and harsher triage will be done by ambulances before even reaching hospital.
During the first wave cancer treatments were cancelled. During the first wave ambulances would visit people with COVID and if they were too old/weak, not take them to hospital and leave them to die so those more likely to benefit from treatment could still get it.
I know government policy is to pretend this didn't happen, so when we say "well at worst it'll only be as bad as in March 2020 and that was fine..." - it wasn't fine. It was a total disaster. It *was* the NHS collapsing - you just don't realise if you didn't need it back then. They hid it quite well.
If there's some other definition of NHS collapse that isn't "not being able to get everyone the treatment they need" that I'm missing please let me know!
For once I agree with you.
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follow the science
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8 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:
King Boris saves Christmas!!! YAY!!!
What a relief that must be for the sopping wet terrified idiots that were actually going to listen to any restrictions.
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1 minute ago, steviewevie said:
1 million by the weekend.
Cumulative for the week? Maybe
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4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:
probably be over 200k tomorrow.
Not quite 1 million is it.
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It would make absolutely no sense to me to make such big strides in the booster rollout and then put everyone in lockdown and let them back out when those boosters start to wain.
Let us get on with life ffs.
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People don’t actually believe that completely made up story do they?
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1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:
Pagel and friends will be gutted
Bloody misogynist, how dare you criticise a female. Even if she is always wrong.
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Cases falling, fake sage in ruins.
When will covid end ? Please be nice and respectful to others
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Isn’t it so that there’s no overlap of symptoms that could be attributed as a vaccine side effect?