Rex2
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5 minutes ago, zahidf said:
Outdoor weddings!
They can get fucked. Been waiting all year to blast out kumbaya ma Lord at the church
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Big statement given Boris hasn't finished jabbering on yet
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1 hour ago, thewayiam said:
No. Listen to what you are saying. It's open land allowing 90k people. How do they self distance 90k?, living in a dream world.
Lol. They don't. Just as they don't at the football. In theory it's much easier to distance in the open compared to an enclosed stadium.
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1 minute ago, thewayiam said:
I can't dictate how close they decide to sit, even at a test event.
But you can't deny that 22.5k out of 90k is setup for distancing.
But an open few acres of land isn't?
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7 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:
We don't know when this is going to happen.
Exactly. So it's not safe to open until we know more
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8 hours ago, Barry Fish said:
and the children - don't forget the children....
And the old people. Their vaccines will be running out soon and will need a top up.
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3 minutes ago, jimmillen said:
OK, say we were to fully reopen as planned on the 21st. Keeping it simple, there's two potential outcomes:
In the optimistic scenario, we get away with it. Cases rise but hospitalisations and deaths stay below a manageable level. The NHS can cope. Businesses go back to normal and everyone's happy.
In the negative scenario, we don't get away with it. Cases rise and while the rate of hospitalisations & deaths is lower than in previous waves thanks to the vaccines, it's still enough to put enormous pressure on the NHS. Restrictions have to be re-imposed, businesses which had reopened have to shut again. Johnson's reputation is damaged having gone back on his promise to make the easing of restrictions irreversible.
There are a lot of downsides to option 2, clearly. So if you're prepared to risk it, you'd better be very, very confident of the data to say actually no, there's only a 1 in 100 chance of this outcome happening. Especially when the negative consequences of not reopening fully for another 2-4 weeks are so very much less.
As has been pointed out at great length already on this thread, the data just isn't solid enough yet to judge. It might indeed be a 1 in 100 chance - that would be great. But it could instead be 1 in 5, or even worse, We just don't know yet!
The government's formal line has always been data not dates. Admittedly in their informal briefings they've implied otherwise to the media which absolutely hasn't helped the situation. But there is no moving of goalposts here if the data doesn't give us the assurance we need to reopen.
We've got to do it at some point. The NHS is nowhere near full capacity. There are now many studies proving the vaccines significantly reduce hospitalisations. Where is the risk? Better now than in 3 months when the NHS is at risk of being overwhelmed as admissions rise anyway. Also, by your metric, will it be safe to open in 3 months when the most vulnerables protection from the vaccine might be wearing off. As you say, we just don't know.
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As has previously been said. A delay will lead to the cancellation of weddings, festivals and the best part of the year for many people for another year, which won't just affect people psychologically, but also in terms of finances. From me it's a strong no to shifting the goalposts and delaying the reopening
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48 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:
In terms of the growth rate, it's been pretty big. I've added yesterday's and a few days ago, when in % terms, huge was no stretch. Isn't now really.
Remember when it's exponential growth, the rate of increase is the thing to watch - absolute numbers can stay small for ages - until they're suddenly massive.
Edit: Stockport doubled in five days.
Still not huge numbers currently although I see your point about the exponential growth. Still it's only cases. I'll take note if hospitalisation start doubling
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1 hour ago, stuartbert two hats said:
Nah, the growth in some areas is absolutely huge, it spread from Bolton to the rest of Manchester, it's likely to spread to the rest of the country given how far we are from double dosing everyone. There would still be massive questions about June 21st. As Fuzz says, the numbers are now suggesting tightening, not relaxation - irrespective of whether it's irreversible.
Absolutely huge is a stretch. Nothing suggests we should be tightening restrictions as there's no threat to the NHS
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To be honest I don't think a one month extension is long enough. If we open up early August we're then getting into fall season where not all the older people will have had their booster jabs so they're going to be a t risk again. Especially with the flu which will come back stronger. We can maybe think about opening next summer but not fully. We don't know what damage festivals etc will cause. Maybe 2024 when everyones had their 6th booster and every child has been vaccinated from birth. Maybe.
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15 minutes ago, steviewevie said:
yeah, think so too...plus even worse if have to go back to having restrictions later in the summer because relaxed too early.
Restrictions when everyones had 2 doses of a vaccine?
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13 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:
Yes but at the very least the entire adult population will have been 'offered' the vaccine by the end of July.
At that point you can accept the risks that come with reopening.
But trying to cram it in before a lot of people have even had a chance, seems stupid to me and entirely pointless for the sake of a few weeks.
What about the children? Are you going to put them to the slaughter once every adult has been offered a vaccine?
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This!
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3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
There isn't talk of rolling it back, there's talk of delaying the final step. The reasons being that if this new variant which is more transmissible leads to increased risk of hospitalisation then as only 50% of adults have both doses it would seem prudent to keep restrictions as they are to get as many 2nd dosed up as we can.
Fair enough if it's extended by a couple of weeks but at what point do the goalposts stop moving? When kids are also vaccinated? When the elderly have had their booster shots? When we've all had our booster shots. Deaths fall of a cliff when you get below 50 years of age. Once everyone's been offered 1 dose we need to open up
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2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
This is also what's causing worry amongst many people today
Increased risk of hospitalisation after 14 days which on top of knowing that 1 dose of the vaccine isn't as effective against the Delta variant has caused some alarm. Which is totally fair but it's also important to remember that we are in a much better position than back in the Winter and things shouldn't get that bad again.
So assuming the vulnerable are at this point protected with two doses, why is there talk of rolling back on the road map? I just don't understand it
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Whys everyone shitting rhemselves over a few thousand cases which is to be expected as we've opened up? Where's the evidence that this Indian variant is able to escape the vaccine? I don't worry about the the government anynore as much as I worry about normal people fueling this perpetual shit show
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18 minutes ago, steviewevie said:
She's not the one doing the modelling, according to these from SAGE we are at start of wave.
...and I guess we'll see in a few weeks where we are on that curve...and then they'll have to make a decision I guess based on how many vaccines have been dished out.
This is comical. They're just making this shit up now. Pandemics over guys. Chill out
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1 hour ago, RobertProsineckisLighter said:
I've begrudgingly had my jab now... Pfizer. For me none of the arm pain, but I've been knackered since Wednesday evening (I had it Wednesday lunch time) been sleeping between 10 and 12 hours a night and could happily sleep in the day too.
Add to that that my legs and forearms have ached since Thursday morning.
Currently watching the football and struggling to stay awake.
Nocebo is a hell of a drug
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1 hour ago, chestwig said:
Indeed. I think everyone in the hospital admitted allegedly for Sarscov2 had had at least 1 dose of some vaccine. 5 had even had 2 doses.
Some may have been very unlucky and contract covid whilst immunity was building, but I suspect that really this is a reaction to the vaccine. Particularly for those 5 that had had the second dose.
I know colleagues and friends who have had covid and had the vaccine... For pretty much all of them after the vaccine was worst in terms of it's affects on the body.
Is utter madness that this is being pushed on young healthy people.
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6 hours ago, ErnestWorthing said:
You can't isolate in a care home. It's a poorly ventilated building full of extremely vulnerable people sharing care staff. One case of covid in a care home will go through like wildfire, infect and kill many people. There is no way people should have been released from hospitals where it was rife into care homes without testing negative. It is an absolute national scandal if Hancock knew untested people were being sent from hospital into care homes, if he lied about it he should be facing criminal sanctions.
Change the word care home for hospital and you have the same scenario. I don't know if testing capacity could have been increased. I imagine if it could have been, it would have been as the government was funding any placement out of hospital to free capacity. Care home managers were refusing to accept patients back from hospital who had not contact with covid and showed no signs of covid, some of whom them went on to develop covid and die in hospital. All the while care home managers continued to pocket their residents extortionate weekly expenses. You can blame this incompetent government for a lot the past year. Some of the blame here needs to fall on care home managers who could have and should have done much more
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It's a non starter this argument. People were discharged from hospitals in open spaces where people are clinically vulnerable back into care homes where they can isolate, and where people aren't extremely unwell. If anything more funding should have been chucked at ensuring safety in care homes rather than increased testing capacity
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1 hour ago, stuartbert two hats said:
Of course they're not.
They must be. How is the peak going to be twice the size when we're probably approaching herd immunity. And if its cases only but not hospitalizations who the fuck cares.
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Chances that those who bought tickets for this event get priority for any potential event in September?
When will this shit end?
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Posted · Edited by Rex2
Tbf a lot of half chances in this game and don't feel Scotland are given enough credit. England just played to their normal boring defensive level. Scotland were class. Big Grant Hanley had the game of his life