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12 hours ago, TheSheriff said:

That’s a really worrying outlook, he clearly has issues. His views are bordering on extremism. Somehow soon we’ve got to build bridges between the pro lockdown (scared) and the anti vax covid is a hoax lot. Society really depends on it 

This should be achievable, with compromise on both sides:

* Society agrees not to make vaccines mandatory (directly or indirectly)

* Non-invasive mitigations to be retained: ventilation as part of building codes, opening windows if it’s not too cold, social distancing where not inconvenient, table spacing in restaurants when not full, hand sanitiser to remain available, etc. Not just for Covid but for all illnesses.

* People are educated about the benefits to the wearer of high efficacy masks

* Airlines and travel providers offer ”masks required” and ”masks optional” products so people can choose the services they prefer 

* Investments are made in healthcare to further reduce the chances of healthcare becoming overloaded in the event of future waves

* Isolation requirements are dropped, and replaced with strong guidance to minimise contacts and wear high efficacy masks in the event of all infectious illnesses (not just Covid)

* Lateral Flow (LFD) Testing to be retained and become more available to reduce risks to the anxious or vulnerable, but a nominal fee is applied [to be borne by employers if they require it]. Free PCR testing to be scrapped because it costs more than a vaccine and in 90% of cases tells someone something they can already find out from an LFD for £1. 

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So promising. I think Gina Coladangelo did us all a huge favour!

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18 minutes ago, kalifire said:

If you’re suggesting that avoidable deaths are acceptable as a price to pay for ‘normality’, you should say so. 

Avoidable deaths are acceptable as a price to pay for normality. 
 

Example given: flu deaths in winter, which we know we can restrict our way into nearly eliminating. 

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On 5/1/2021 at 11:55 AM, eFestivals said:

For anyone thinking the uk vaccination rollout has been impressive. Just check out the USA which did 220,0000,000jabs in 100 days. And that's without the benefit of a centralised health system. 

Very impressive, but they’re now in the position of opening jabs to anyone, your choice of vaccine. That’s actually bad news as it means supply is outstripping demand and they are approaching the limit of voluntary uptake. Even if it takes us a month or so longer I’d be happier with our track where uptake is well above 90%. More people wanting doses than we can supply despite being among the earliest and fastest in the world is the “right problem to have” as they say.