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All looking pretty fucking good now.

Quite apart from it being a full day less, to compare like with like you'd need add on the £80 they charge you for camping. (Line-up isn't all that anyway, for me, and certainly doesn't have EotR's variety and depth.)

This is getting very silly. Being able to name female acts who "could" headline is a long way from saying that the festival could have got them. If it's the case there are fewer of them then there are going to be fewer options available. Anyway, bored of this now. I'm going to have a great weekend.

Where's Pictish Trail?

I'm not telling anyone they're wrong and I've got no issue with anyone just being disappointed by it. There are a handful who have gone further and seem to have lost their heads over it.

As @SweepingTheNation has pointed out, this is just not true. And by quite some distance. I bought tickets for both this year, since I had to get GM tickets for someone else. EotR was £190; GM was £235. Don't know if I'm comparing exactly like-for-like in respect of tiers, but in both cases they were the first tickets I could get hold of having been online as they first went on sale.

Preferring Green Man is fine, clearly. But I'm not having "more varied". Lack of variation is one thing EotR definitely can't be accused of this year. It's taking me right out my comfort zone.

The Green Man line-up is decent, but it's not giving me any kind of envy, quite happy that I went last year instead and that this year I've just got EotR.

Also worth noting that booking agents will often let festival organisers know what's likely to be happening in coming months, giving them advance listenings of albums, and some knowledge of who they think is set for bigger things this year. At the time of last year's announcements I thought Green Man had outdone EotR - but it ended up not altogether working out like that. In the event, maybe my top three albums of the year were Black Midi, Hurray for the Riff Raff and Jockstrap. And they were all at EotR. And there have been quite a few acts over the years who have already been bigger by the time the festival arrived than they were at the time of the announcement (which is easy to forget when you're looking back at earlier line-ups).

Yeah whatever other criticisms you might make of the line-up, has-beens is definitely not it.

Same as someone else on the other thread - saw them supporting Pip Blom pre-covid (they're all mates from Amsterdam) and they were great.

This seems like a pretty normal level of reaction to me. It's not my dream line-up, especially at the top end, but as ever there's a handful of names I like and a whole bunch I don't know yet but that I know will end up being part of a brilliant weekend. Looking forward to it just as much as ever.

Ditto.

Thank you.

ooh, he's got you there.

I just gave them a listen - yes please.

I'm assume tickets going off availability and coming back on is the result of people initially reserving them but not going through with it (for whatever reasons). Assuming you want people to be able to hold tickets at least for a few minutes to allow time to pay for them there's probably no other way you can do it. It was all pretty frenetic this morning though, yeah.

So Lomelda put some sort of statement out in May of 2020 - which I now can't find; the lobf link that I posted on a facebook group at the time is dead and I can't see it anywhere else. There's some discussion of it in here (from Pinegrove fans, mostly trashing it), but the image that presumably contained the original statement has also gone - Someone has quoted one line from it - "my inaction has enabled the return of Pinegrove" - which roughly sums up my recollection of it, the gist being that she was not okay with their rehabilitation and regretted her earlier silence. This happened just around the time of EotR's initial 2020 cancellation. Although many bands from that original announcement ended up not being there in 2021 most had rolled over at the time of that first announcement, but Pinegrove were not among them. They weren't the only ones though - Angel Olsen, most conspicuously - so yes they may have had other reasons and I accept I might have been quite wrong to have linked the issues in my mind.

They came back and were back on the EotR line-up, and then off it again after a further intervention from one of their former members. Though that might just have been a coincidence of timing.

I thought they'd been metoo-ed.

You do? I paid £12 for mine.

Yeah, wrong stage wrong crowd for them. (Again.) As soon as they finished I put my head into the Big Top and caught the end of Grove, who had the whole place absolutely bouncing.

No criticisms, really. Must have been mostly lucky with the toilets. Showers were cold in the van field on Saturday morning but them's the breaks. Hardly had to queue at the bars all weekend, very impressive given the issues they seemed to be having getting staff. Couple of scheduling snafus - Snapped Ankles should've been on a bigger stage and Starcrawler a smaller one. But really, I'd hardly change a thing. Music was great, I had been thinking Green Man beat them on line-up this year, but I ended up seeing probably a dozen excellent sets, both ones that I already was expecting (Mandy Indiana, Hurray for the Riff Raff, Cassandra Jenkins) and several that I'd not particularly picked out beforehand (Nilufer Yanya, Grove, Anais Mitchell, Christian Lee Hutson). Among others. This year's "Know Your Audience" award is shared between Grove's "fuck landlords" and HftRR telling a field of middle-aged white men (self-included) that "they're afraid of the power that you have".

Wolf Alice were playing (well down the bill) at EotR the first year I was there.