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4 minutes ago, DeanoL said:
I think we're conflating two things in this discussion at the moment. First there's the medical issue. Cases are going up, will continue to go up, and then they'll reach a peak and come back down. We should hit that peak in the next few weeks, and if we do all is fine. If we don't, and cases continue to keep going up (and so do hospitalisations at the same rate) we will be back in full lockdown, unavoidably. But that probably won't happen. It's not what the science points to. The only problem there is the case numbers being as high as they are now is also not what the science points to. So y'know, we should be okay until the scientists have it catastrophically wrong.
The second issue is the one I've gone on and on about for the past few months, and that's hesitancy. You can drop the rules all you want but if people don't feel comfortable going out they won't go out and that's a problem. A lot of people have harped on for a long time about how we should drop all the rules, and let people do what they want. The worried can stay in, the rest of them can get "back to normal". They've said that confident in the knowledge that 90% of people are on the same page they are, and the other 10% are introvert fake-SAGE weirdos. That the reason pubs aren't full is because people don't like table service, wearing masks to the loo, or having to book in advance. That Latitude isn't sold out because it's quite hard to get to.
I was actually starting to believe that, given the level of confidence they seemed to have in this belief, hell, you'll have seen me making posts going "yeah but even if we're just 10% that can have a big impacts on gigs, etc.". But no - turns out the cautious people were in the majority all along. Turns out when you tell people "yeah there will be an exit wave but you probably won't die" a lot people go "oh cool, I'll just wait until the exit wave is done then".
What's happening now is what I expected to start happening in a couple of weeks time, once the initial rush and excitement of freedom day wore off. That at that point we might have some pubs and cafes reintroduce distancing and masking measures to encourage the vast swathes of society hiding away to go to them.
Same as I've always said: if you want to go back to normal, you have to bring everyone with you. Because it's other people that run the businesses you go to, other people that perform at the gigs you go to, other people that cook at the restaurant you go to.... you can't just go "back to normal" on your own. But instead of trying to win the argument and actually encourage people not to be afraid and that it'll be okay, the anti-lockdown hawks have gone with "people can just stay at home if they don't like it". And now they're upset because people are doing exactly that.
Very well said.
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49 minutes ago, steviewevie said:
So, there is this exit wave they keep talking about, and we must have it now because summer is best time etc...but they're obviously shitting it with how high this wave is going to be, what with not everyone fully vaccinated, social disatncing restrictions ending, and now loads of people turning off their test/trace apps. So, this is why we are seeing a bit of a push back with govt and scientists urging caution, slow and steady, go out but don't go out, go to work but don't go to work, wear a mask because you're good etc etc.
I keep hearing this nonsense "the exit wave we had to have"A
Anyone who doesn't think people like whitty and vallance are shitting it behind closed doors are kidding themselves.
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1 minute ago, sisco said:
Till what? Unless all kids are vaccinated then nothing changes.
They should have finished the vaccine program and got more people over 20 double jabbed.
End of story.
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We will be back at 100k plus cases by end of next week.
This is going to go tits up and quickly. Anyone who doesn't think restrictions are going to be in place by end of summer is having a laugh.
They've rushed this imo and should have waited.
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Just now, fraybentos1 said:
In what way are you likely to catch it again in the next few months if you have had it once and will be double vaxxed?
Also any need for the tone lol? who says capiche fs
If we are at 100k + cases a day soon and I want to sociallise, then it's highly likely I'll catch it again in some capacity?
I just think its funny that people are waving off large parts of society potentially being ill at the same time as 'fine'.
It's the first time I've said capiche in probably 15 years, but felt appropriate at the time....
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9 minutes ago, JoeyT said:
But didn't rock them enough to kill them?
Bit like a normal flu virus then?
Cheers vaccines.
I've had the flu once im my lifetime, I've already had COVID once and likely catch it again within the next few months. Considering the virus has been in the country for around 18 months, thats a significant difference.
That's a big difference in how quickly it spreads, capiche?
People who say 'oh its just the flu'. The flu is fucking shit and not something you want to catch on the regular. Unless we just want to live in a society where being pretty ill with flu like symptoms every few months is 'fine'....
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Just now, hodgey123 said:
Yeah true, unless you also commonly get admitted to hospital with a sore throat/runny nose/sneezing/loss of smell?
Most people I know who have recently caught the virus have had at least 1 jab and it's absolutely rocked them for a period of at least 2 weeks.
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10 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:
That isn't true. We decide. We dictate. We get to choose how much risk / death we can stomach. Currently we are acting like a bunch of school girls fearful of what is a tiny risk to the vast majority of the UK.
bahahaha 'school girls' - everyday you reveal your age and voting type further and further.
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8 minutes ago, JoeyT said:
Not seen a graph like this before re symptoms depending on vaccination. Worth a share.
Based on the above, the vaccines appear to just protect you from death....
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3 minutes ago, st dan said:
The issue is that it’s hard for them to sell the ‘business as usual’ message if masks are visible as part of daily life. It’s clear they want to try and pretend this is all over, and crack on with Brexit trade negotiations and try to rebuild the economy.
Ah yes the old 'lets pretend' game, which conservatives have historically loved to do. 'Let's pretend humans are fucking up the environment and maybe it will get better?'
I seriously cannot stand conservative thinking and there approach to resolving issues and rug sweeping.
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25 minutes ago, steviewevie said:
I guess we will hopefully have passed through this wave by then and will have more data to see if need more restrictions like wfh and masks going into the autumn/winter. They should really plan now for schools, unis and other public places, if need better ventilation or whatever.
Still really boggles my mind that they didn't just 'encourage' WFH until the end of this year and look to review it at the start of 2022, along with masks.
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26 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:
The problem is we already have the Dickhead in Chief leading the shit show.
If theres one thing the last 16/17 months has taught me is that the general population of the country is full of a hell of a lot of thick dickheads.
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1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:
Finally something we agree on.
I'm sure if we bumped into each other in the green fields one year and had a pint, you'd find there mught be many things we agree on 🙂
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1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:
Both my sister in laws are Doctors in the NHS. One a consultant Paediactic surgeon and the other a GP.
They are both exhausted, demoralised, fed up but working hard..................................... general moral is lower than ever
I don't blame them, they all deserve massive fucking pay rises.
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5 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:
The righteous lockdown crew are on form tonight.
Nobody is righeous, but I just think it's disengenuous to use personal anecdotes like that and spin it as a way of telling the broader picture.
FWIW I am not doubting your family members view, I'm just saying that there are also a lot of other people in the NHS who might say different.....
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45 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:
My brother in law who is a A&E nurse gets extremely fucking annoyed at these headlines. He says its true everyone is fucking knackered but he says he doesn't know where the distressed bit comes in. He is pretty blunt says its his job - its what he is trained to do and he has always been 100% working his arse off anyway.
He of course only speaks for himself and the colleagues he works directly with. But I can't help but think there is a major oversaction in some of these headlines.
And my best mate who is a doctor at the NHS says everyone is somewhat stressed and concerned about the months ahead.
Honestly mate, your use of (somehow you have about 10 family members all in the NHS....) personal anecdotes are not a reflection of the broader picture.
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Masks and WFH should have stayed as a minimum, there was no need to get rid of them and was just fucking political noise.
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3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
I think that we as a species we have to make some significant changes to society/lifestyles to combat the climate crises in the years to come. Maybe this period will help us prepare for when that time comes?
Agreed.
Changes to our diets and how we travel/consume would need to happen if we are to make it I feel.
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47 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:
Nothing more irritating than hyperbolic nonsense like this. It's a pandemic, we have had them before and will have them again. It will end.
Whats deemed normal is completely relative and evolves over time as well though.
I'm not suggesting anything by this post either, but people also need to understand that what society deems as 'normal' now will not be 'normal' in 40 years.
As a species we never stay stagnant and are constantly evolving, sometimes things like pandemics fast track certain new societal norms.
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24 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:
Considering this lot don't care what they said even a couple of days ago or think people will forget, I still wouldn't be surprised if "if not now, when" turns into another "heavy heart" on Friday if we get the expected euros final spike in cases today/tomorrow/friday
No they won't back out of this now.
The only possibility I see is that they open the flood gates over summer and if it gets really out of hand - we have to lockdown in some degree in late September / October.
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2 minutes ago, RossTC said:
Day 3 since my positive test and i can confirm i feel absolutely awful. No smell, bad cough and fever and headaches that come and go with the wind. Im single jabbed 6 weeks ago and someone who just doesn't get ill. Don't take it lightly, its still out there with quite the bite on it.
Yup, all the best mate.
Most people I know who have caught it around my age recently (30's) have been totally rocked by it....
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1 minute ago, FloorFiller said:
Yep. Granted there were a lot of people who’ve fucked masks off already, but this whole ‘freedom day’ schtick and the flip flopping on masks being kept around has really led to a lot of people who would’ve otherwise kept wearing them just thinking ‘fuck it’. We should’ve always been approaching the 19th with the tone of ‘we still need to be wary’ rather than ‘that’s it guys, pandemic over, let’s go fucking mental!’
Yeah agreed.
I just think next week turns into a shit show and the tories are suddenly now realising that as well.
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9 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:
Ideologically I don’t have much of an issue with face covering mandates (I do have an issue with mask mandates, but we’ve never had those in the UK)
I do just think that large parts of society really overrate their importance though. Sebastian Payne seems to genuinely think mask wearing is the difference between a fourth lockdown or not, that’s just pie in the sky nonsense given the current case trajectory.
To me it's always been not the masks themselves solely but the additional level of sensibility it installs in people.
COVID is still absolutely circulating in massive numbers and I feel people should still behave in a way that reflects this to some degree. Removing masks indicates to people that it literally doesn't matter anymore, which is not the case.
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3 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:
I have recent and current first hand experience of how the vaccines seem to be working...to an extent. It's definitely not preventing catching it but it definitely softens the blow if and when you do. There's an air of inevitability that at some point we'll all catch it and those who have been vaccinated stand a better chance of lessening the impact. So I don't deny that they work but I would dispel any myths that they protect you from catching the virus. But has this been the message all along? I genuinely can't remember!
I feel like when the vaccines first started circulating they were heralded as the nail in the coffin and did in fact break transmission and your chances of catching it.
Doesn't look to be the case now.
When will this shit end?
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The pubs can't be propped up infefinetly by those that don't give a shit.
As others have pointed out, people are in for a shock. It's clear the vast majority of people are concerned. None of my mates are going into a rammed pub until double jabbing and things due down.